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This is going to be one helluva ride; there's thousands of web site using the same kind of implementation, and a 50M fine does send quite a message.

by ahje 8y ago

easytiger 8y ago
> and a 50M fine does send quite a message. Yes it sends the message that France is going to keep trying to attack google & facebook until they relent and exit Ireland
- simias 8y ago
  The CNIL is independent regulatory body, I'm doubt Google's tax situation was a big factor in the decision. Or are you arguing that they were unjustly fined for purely political reasons?
  - easytiger 8y ago
    Yes I'm sure they are very independent and certainly aren't informed by the culture of political hatred for these companies. Even their personnel belay that thought. They state the first tests of this complaint were performed in Sept 2018. There is no evidence that they worked constructively with google to resolve the technical and nuanced issue (a breach of predictably vague and complex laws). This seems to specifically relate to "create account" on a reset android device when it gets to the google services section. That's a long walk for a short drink of water. Which version of android is not compliant? Is it universal? In enforcing regulations changed just months before there has to be reasonableness. Issuing a EUR50m fine 2 months after discovering an edge case like this is not reasonable. Helping the company comply is the right behaviour. Then seek punitive measures if they fail to. It states 10k people made a complaint about this. No they didn't. They even take a swipe at the Irish government in their release. I'm all for bashing google and have numerous issues with them, but this is nonsense. If you run a business and are not remotely concerned about the abuse of this legislation you have lost your mind
    - puzzle 8y ago
      I have no idea if the CNIL acted also out of tax reasons, something which is hard to prove, but they haven't been exactly friendly to Google for the past decade. Among other actions, they're the ones that have been taking Google all the way up to the EU Court of Justice to enforce worldwide the right to be forgotten. The advocate general just sided with Google less than two weeks ago, which makes for an interesting coincidence. They, and IFP in particular, have been itching in public interviews for the power to levy higher fines. Now they are simply following up on past statements.

This is going to be one helluva ride; there's thousands of web site using the same kind of implementation, and a 50M fine does send quite a message.

by ahje 8y ago

This is going to be one helluva ride; there's thousands of web site using the same kind of implementation, and a 50M fine does send quite a message.

easytiger 8y ago

> and a 50M fine does send quite a message. Yes it sends the message that France is going to keep trying to attack google & facebook until they relent and exit Ireland

simias 8y ago
The CNIL is independent regulatory body, I'm doubt Google's tax situation was a big factor in the decision. Or are you arguing that they were unjustly fined for purely political reasons?
- easytiger 8y ago
  Yes I'm sure they are very independent and certainly aren't informed by the culture of political hatred for these companies. Even their personnel belay that thought. They state the first tests of this complaint were performed in Sept 2018. There is no evidence that they worked constructively with google to resolve the technical and nuanced issue (a breach of predictably vague and complex laws). This seems to specifically relate to "create account" on a reset android device when it gets to the google services section. That's a long walk for a short drink of water. Which version of android is not compliant? Is it universal? In enforcing regulations changed just months before there has to be reasonableness. Issuing a EUR50m fine 2 months after discovering an edge case like this is not reasonable. Helping the company comply is the right behaviour. Then seek punitive measures if they fail to. It states 10k people made a complaint about this. No they didn't. They even take a swipe at the Irish government in their release. I'm all for bashing google and have numerous issues with them, but this is nonsense. If you run a business and are not remotely concerned about the abuse of this legislation you have lost your mind
  - puzzle 8y ago
    I have no idea if the CNIL acted also out of tax reasons, something which is hard to prove, but they haven't been exactly friendly to Google for the past decade. Among other actions, they're the ones that have been taking Google all the way up to the EU Court of Justice to enforce worldwide the right to be forgotten. The advocate general just sided with Google less than two weeks ago, which makes for an interesting coincidence. They, and IFP in particular, have been itching in public interviews for the power to levy higher fines. Now they are simply following up on past statements.