I completely agree. To an extent there'll always be a certain cachet associated with violence and 'fighting back' .. it's the macho thing to do, and - by suppo

I completely agree. To an extent there'll always be a certain cachet associated with violence and 'fighting back' .. it's the macho thing to do, and - by supporting a general violent response - the original poster _could_ be accused of trying to project a more macho stance himself. Thinking about all situations in the same way, is fantasy .. and imagining that violence will always redeem the oppressed is a romantic and foolhardy notion. Not many people want to be thought of as weak - but strength doesn't need to come from aggression; sometimes confidence and defiance can go a long way to providing any necessary 'short, sharp shock'.