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Thanks for the explanation. Re latexmk: so am I getting the development release on Arch? I get the 2018 version with texlive-core.

geofft 8y ago
Sorry, I mean that the volunteer maintainer of the latexmk package in Debian hasn't updated it since 2015. Arch probably has a newer version from the latexmk authors (and I think Arch does not have the same culture of individual package maintainers, in general).
- mehrdadn 8y ago
  ..Oh. Wow. Do distros not care if their packages are updated for 3+ years? I'd have expected half their entire job is to make sure package maintainers are actually maintaining packages...
  - dima55 8y ago
    I don't know who these "distros" people are. Humans care. But no humans cared-enough to update this earlier. If you want to contribute to the Debian project specifically, talk to me.
  - int_19h 8y ago
    Eventually such packages get removed (usually when they stop building for whatever reason). But if the package still works, having an old version of it is still better than not having anything.
- Svenstaro 8y ago
  Just to note: in Arch we almost only have individual package maintainers.
- explainplease 8y ago
  The Debian LaTeX maintainer was essentially harassed out of the project by the Anti-Harassment Team.
  - int_19h 8y ago
    Source?
    - explainplease 8y ago
      The horse's mouth: https://lists.debian.org/debian-project/2018/12/msg00032.html https://lists.debian.org/debian-project/2018/12/msg00032.htm... Downvoters: If you're honest, then do your homework instead of downvoting. If you're dishonest, and you're trying to cover it up, shame on you--you're as bad as the abusers in Debian.
  - geofft 8y ago
    This is 1) irrelevant, he was not the maintainer for latexmk (in fact he did some non-maintainer uploads very recently for it to update it to the latest version), and 2) not true, he was not "harassed out of the project," he was removed by formal action. I read "harassed out" as "pressured into quitting" or something. He didn't quit under pressure; his account was removed. (And he's still a Debian Maintainer, same status as me.)
    - explainplease 8y ago
      > he was not "harassed out of the project," he was removed by formal action. Ah, yes, the standard bureaucratic cover for abuse: retroactively justify it with formal committee action, by asking people to submit examples of badthink and badspeak from years ago: 2012: 1 email 2013: 7 emails 2014: 5 emails 2015: 1 email 2016: 0 emails 2017: 2 emails 2018: 2 emails Nothing wrong with that at all. Nothing to see here! Debian's a perfectly healthy project. Continue on your way.

geofft 8y ago

Sorry, I mean that the volunteer maintainer of the latexmk package in Debian hasn't updated it since 2015. Arch probably has a newer version from the latexmk authors (and I think Arch does not have the same culture of individual package maintainers, in general).

mehrdadn 8y ago
..Oh. Wow. Do distros not care if their packages are updated for 3+ years? I'd have expected half their entire job is to make sure package maintainers are actually maintaining packages...
- dima55 8y ago
  I don't know who these "distros" people are. Humans care. But no humans cared-enough to update this earlier. If you want to contribute to the Debian project specifically, talk to me.
- int_19h 8y ago
  Eventually such packages get removed (usually when they stop building for whatever reason). But if the package still works, having an old version of it is still better than not having anything.
Svenstaro 8y ago
Just to note: in Arch we almost only have individual package maintainers.
explainplease 8y ago
The Debian LaTeX maintainer was essentially harassed out of the project by the Anti-Harassment Team.
- int_19h 8y ago
  Source?
  - explainplease 8y ago
    The horse's mouth: https://lists.debian.org/debian-project/2018/12/msg00032.html https://lists.debian.org/debian-project/2018/12/msg00032.htm... Downvoters: If you're honest, then do your homework instead of downvoting. If you're dishonest, and you're trying to cover it up, shame on you--you're as bad as the abusers in Debian.
- geofft 8y ago
  This is 1) irrelevant, he was not the maintainer for latexmk (in fact he did some non-maintainer uploads very recently for it to update it to the latest version), and 2) not true, he was not "harassed out of the project," he was removed by formal action. I read "harassed out" as "pressured into quitting" or something. He didn't quit under pressure; his account was removed. (And he's still a Debian Maintainer, same status as me.)
  - explainplease 8y ago
    > he was not "harassed out of the project," he was removed by formal action. Ah, yes, the standard bureaucratic cover for abuse: retroactively justify it with formal committee action, by asking people to submit examples of badthink and badspeak from years ago: 2012: 1 email 2013: 7 emails 2014: 5 emails 2015: 1 email 2016: 0 emails 2017: 2 emails 2018: 2 emails Nothing wrong with that at all. Nothing to see here! Debian's a perfectly healthy project. Continue on your way.