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Yeah right, this is exactly what they want to do. It's bizarre this is even considered, because this whole thread is filled with revenge fantasies about bullie

Yeah right, this is exactly what they want to do. It's bizarre this is even considered, because this whole thread is filled with revenge fantasies about bullies. Why would you think the bully is just going to think "oh yes, zhuge omarion lionhearted is the superior fighter, I concede" like in some corny kung-fu movie? If you hurt a bully, they are just going to plot out how they are going to hurt you worse the next chance they get... Finally, if violence is truly the answer, why not just go all-out Columbine from the beginning? There's no more bullying when the bully is dead. Then the problem is truly "solved," right?

gaius 16y ago
If you hurt a bully, they are just going to plot out how they are going to hurt you worse the next chance they get... It doesn't work like that. In practice, the bully will take the path of least resistance and pick on someone else. Which sucks for them, but the hierarchy has now shifted - the original victim has moved up, but the capability/social capital of the new lowest member of the group is still higher than theirs was. It doesn't take many iterations of this cycle before the bully will either meet their match or have a critical mass of the class openly against them. This happened in my primary school, actually, the bully in this case was a kid who'd been held back from a higher year. Eventually simply no-one would talk to him. Problem solved.
chc 16y ago
I don't want this to sound like a personal attack, but I just have to point it out: You're the one engaging in hyperbole and apparent speculation here, while many of the people who say violence does work are citing personal experience in the matter. I honestly don't have enough experience to know who's right and on what specifics (I never even went to public school, much less got bullied there), but the suggestion that shooting up your school is equivalent to defending yourself does not lend a lot of credibility to what you're saying.
nailer 16y ago
I think that humans don't like getting hurt. What's so difficult to understand about that? yhe above simple logic and my own personal experience fighting back is what this is based on, not some corny Kung foo movie. Don't put words into others mouths, its rude and unnecessary. Re your going columbine troll, the response should be limited to what's required. Snd, obviously, violence is already the supreme authority and final resort in society - that's what police and the military are for.
gte910h 16y ago
In my experience: Hurt them once, they move on. (I was picked on a lot when young (I was freakishly tall for my age, like 8-12 inches taller than anyone else)). I had several prolonged bullying experiences finally curtailed by eventual violence in the end. I usually got in trouble for it too. I have no clue today if they did. I do know: they stopped. Bullying isn't about you to the bully. Its about them, and picking on someone. The someone isn't that important, and when you become the someone who is more expensive to screw with, they leave you alone usually. (And I think this sort of thing as an adult is stupid and a good way to go to jail, but at 10, it works fine).

gaius 16y ago

If you hurt a bully, they are just going to plot out how they are going to hurt you worse the next chance they get... It doesn't work like that. In practice, the bully will take the path of least resistance and pick on someone else. Which sucks for them, but the hierarchy has now shifted - the original victim has moved up, but the capability/social capital of the new lowest member of the group is still higher than theirs was. It doesn't take many iterations of this cycle before the bully will either meet their match or have a critical mass of the class openly against them. This happened in my primary school, actually, the bully in this case was a kid who'd been held back from a higher year. Eventually simply no-one would talk to him. Problem solved.

chc 16y ago

I don't want this to sound like a personal attack, but I just have to point it out: You're the one engaging in hyperbole and apparent speculation here, while many of the people who say violence does work are citing personal experience in the matter. I honestly don't have enough experience to know who's right and on what specifics (I never even went to public school, much less got bullied there), but the suggestion that shooting up your school is equivalent to defending yourself does not lend a lot of credibility to what you're saying.

nailer 16y ago

I think that humans don't like getting hurt. What's so difficult to understand about that? yhe above simple logic and my own personal experience fighting back is what this is based on, not some corny Kung foo movie. Don't put words into others mouths, its rude and unnecessary. Re your going columbine troll, the response should be limited to what's required. Snd, obviously, violence is already the supreme authority and final resort in society - that's what police and the military are for.

gte910h 16y ago

In my experience: Hurt them once, they move on. (I was picked on a lot when young (I was freakishly tall for my age, like 8-12 inches taller than anyone else)). I had several prolonged bullying experiences finally curtailed by eventual violence in the end. I usually got in trouble for it too. I have no clue today if they did. I do know: they stopped. Bullying isn't about you to the bully. Its about them, and picking on someone. The someone isn't that important, and when you become the someone who is more expensive to screw with, they leave you alone usually. (And I think this sort of thing as an adult is stupid and a good way to go to jail, but at 10, it works fine).