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I don't see the point in non stick cookware. A simple stainless steel skillet with some oil in it will perform just as well and last longer for most uses (and y

I don't see the point in non stick cookware. A simple stainless steel skillet with some oil in it will perform just as well and last longer for most uses (and you still need to add oil to a non stick skillet to get proper browning anyway, but it pools because of the non stick coating and doesn't work as well). And a seasoned carbon steel or cast iron pan will be non stick for when you're cooking fragile stuff like eggs or fish, as well as being far superior for searing meat and allowing you to use metal utensils. Not to mention all of those alternatives will likely allow you to raise the temperature much higher without damaging the pan than you would with a non stick one. The worst I've seen recently is non stick saucepans! Why on earth would that tradeoff be worth it?

hirundo 8y ago
> A simple stainless steel skillet with some oil in it will perform just as well. I've got a stainless skillet. Every single time I fry eggs like that, without > 1T of fat per egg, it burns to the bottom. So you must have a better technique. I'm willing to switch to a more forgiving option rather than keep scraping off my mistakes. Every time.
- p1necone 8y ago
  Make sure the pan is pretty hot before you put the eggs in, if it's too cold they will probably stick even with lots of oil. Also, don't be afraid to use however much fat you need, it's not like you're actually going to eat it all - there's probably only going to be about 1/2 teaspoon of it left on the egg after cooking regardless of how much you put in the pan and that's (probably?) pretty negligible health-wise.
  - hirundo 8y ago
    If the pan is hotter than medium heat butter will burn. Does not using non-stick mean you don't cook in butter?
    - 4ad 8y ago
      Ideally the fat is just a transfer medium for the heat. If you cook correctly, the fat doesn't reach the temperature of the pan, so it doesn't burn even when you use a hot pan, and even if you use butter. The key is adding fat just moments before adding the food, and adding just the right amount of fat (which is more than people realize). I cook eggs on high temperature in butter and steaks on high temperature in olive oil, and I never burn my fat. You can only do this for one portion though, if I use the same pan to prepare multiple batches, I switch to lard instead of butter/olive oil. I still like to finish my steaks in butter though, but I just do that as an extra step at the end. As an unrelated note, I very much prefer lard or duck fat, or if they are unavailable then coconut oil or some other kind of saturated (?) fat, to vegetable oil. Not because of taste (lard is good though), but because the surface tension is different for these solid (at room temperature) fats and these fats coat the pan much better than any kind of vegetable oil. They coat the pan instead of pooling up.
      - hirundo 8y ago
        So regular pans take more skill and attention to use without scortching. That's a pretty good reason to go with non-stick.
        4ad 8y ago
        Erm, no. If you don't want to use butter or olive oil, don't use butter or olive oil. This has nothing to do with non-stick vs regular pan. In fact, butter and olive oil are more difficult to use, and more prone to scorching with non-stick pans because of lower thermal mass, which makes it much harder to regulate temperature. The temperature of the pan needs to be the same, regardless whether it's non-stick or not, in order to produce good results. If you start with a cold non-stick pan, the food won't stick, but it will be of far less quality than if you had started with the proper temperature. So I guess that non-stick pans allow you to more easily make bad food without making a mess, but that's not a metric that I care about. If you care about the quality of food, non-stick pans are more difficult to use because temperature control is harder, they can't get as hot, and generally you can't put them in the oven.
- nateweiss 8y ago
  I find that olive oil combined with a bit of butter works pretty well in non-nonstick pans. I start with maybe a teaspoon or so of olive oil in the center of the pan and let that heat up a bit, then add a small amount of butter and wait for it to melt and bubble, then crack the egg directly over the puddle of oil/butter. This has worked well for me, even in otherwise testy pans like worn-out nonsticks, iron skillets, etc.
4ad 8y ago
I hate non stick pots and pans, they are awful, and as you said, the olden alternatives are better. But I love my non stick saucepan for heating milk. Nothing comes close to that.
- p1necone 8y ago
  Non stick pans have always seemed to me like the classic marketing thing of selling what uninformed consumers think they need, rather than what is actually more useful.
- p1necone 8y ago
  I'll have to try one for milk though, that does usually require vigorous constant stirring in a regular pot if you want to do it at higher temps.
thatfrenchguy 8y ago
Washing, washing, and washing. When you cook every day you save a lot of time. Cast irons are also super heavy.
- p1necone 8y ago
  My carbon steel and cast iron pans aren't any more difficult to wash than my roommates non stick pans?

hirundo 8y ago

> A simple stainless steel skillet with some oil in it will perform just as well. I've got a stainless skillet. Every single time I fry eggs like that, without > 1T of fat per egg, it burns to the bottom. So you must have a better technique. I'm willing to switch to a more forgiving option rather than keep scraping off my mistakes. Every time.

p1necone 8y ago
Make sure the pan is pretty hot before you put the eggs in, if it's too cold they will probably stick even with lots of oil. Also, don't be afraid to use however much fat you need, it's not like you're actually going to eat it all - there's probably only going to be about 1/2 teaspoon of it left on the egg after cooking regardless of how much you put in the pan and that's (probably?) pretty negligible health-wise.
- hirundo 8y ago
  If the pan is hotter than medium heat butter will burn. Does not using non-stick mean you don't cook in butter?
  - 4ad 8y ago
    Ideally the fat is just a transfer medium for the heat. If you cook correctly, the fat doesn't reach the temperature of the pan, so it doesn't burn even when you use a hot pan, and even if you use butter. The key is adding fat just moments before adding the food, and adding just the right amount of fat (which is more than people realize). I cook eggs on high temperature in butter and steaks on high temperature in olive oil, and I never burn my fat. You can only do this for one portion though, if I use the same pan to prepare multiple batches, I switch to lard instead of butter/olive oil. I still like to finish my steaks in butter though, but I just do that as an extra step at the end. As an unrelated note, I very much prefer lard or duck fat, or if they are unavailable then coconut oil or some other kind of saturated (?) fat, to vegetable oil. Not because of taste (lard is good though), but because the surface tension is different for these solid (at room temperature) fats and these fats coat the pan much better than any kind of vegetable oil. They coat the pan instead of pooling up.
    - hirundo 8y ago
      So regular pans take more skill and attention to use without scortching. That's a pretty good reason to go with non-stick.
      - 4ad 8y ago
        Erm, no. If you don't want to use butter or olive oil, don't use butter or olive oil. This has nothing to do with non-stick vs regular pan. In fact, butter and olive oil are more difficult to use, and more prone to scorching with non-stick pans because of lower thermal mass, which makes it much harder to regulate temperature. The temperature of the pan needs to be the same, regardless whether it's non-stick or not, in order to produce good results. If you start with a cold non-stick pan, the food won't stick, but it will be of far less quality than if you had started with the proper temperature. So I guess that non-stick pans allow you to more easily make bad food without making a mess, but that's not a metric that I care about. If you care about the quality of food, non-stick pans are more difficult to use because temperature control is harder, they can't get as hot, and generally you can't put them in the oven.
nateweiss 8y ago
I find that olive oil combined with a bit of butter works pretty well in non-nonstick pans. I start with maybe a teaspoon or so of olive oil in the center of the pan and let that heat up a bit, then add a small amount of butter and wait for it to melt and bubble, then crack the egg directly over the puddle of oil/butter. This has worked well for me, even in otherwise testy pans like worn-out nonsticks, iron skillets, etc.

4ad 8y ago

I hate non stick pots and pans, they are awful, and as you said, the olden alternatives are better. But I love my non stick saucepan for heating milk. Nothing comes close to that.

p1necone 8y ago
Non stick pans have always seemed to me like the classic marketing thing of selling what uninformed consumers think they need, rather than what is actually more useful.
p1necone 8y ago
I'll have to try one for milk though, that does usually require vigorous constant stirring in a regular pot if you want to do it at higher temps.

thatfrenchguy 8y ago

Washing, washing, and washing. When you cook every day you save a lot of time. Cast irons are also super heavy.

p1necone 8y ago
My carbon steel and cast iron pans aren't any more difficult to wash than my roommates non stick pans?