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How about addressing the cause instead of focusing on the cure? After WWII they adopted a view of masculinity as toxic. And women have a big part on this phenom

by alecco 8y ago

How about addressing the cause instead of focusing on the cure? After WWII they adopted a view of masculinity as toxic. And women have a big part on this phenomenon. > In a 2011 poll of Japanese boys aged between 16 and 19, 36% said they were not interested in having sex; > the figure for girls in the same age group was at 59%. https://blogs.wsj.com/japanrealtime/2011/01/13/no-sex-please-were-young-japanese-men/ https://blogs.wsj.com/japanrealtime/2011/01/13/no-sex-please...

dragant 8y ago
I don't see your point. How did you link toxic masculinity, not wanting sex, and coaxing men out of the room?
magic_beans 8y ago
> After WWII they adopted a view of masculinity as toxic. And women have a big part on this phenomenon. You have no source for this at all. Don't blame Japanese women for Japanese men's lack of sexual desire. It seems Japanese women WANT to have sex. So... the problem is obviously not women.
- YorkshireSeason 8y ago
  > You have no source for this at all. Have you got credible sources for your crazy misandry, and crazy generalisations about JP men, women?
- commandlinefan 8y ago
  Well, not OP, but I can’t help but notice that women complain, a LOT, about male attention. Young men can be forgiven for taking that to mean that they just don’t want any of it.
tartoran 8y ago
I don't think that's the case here. The Japanese are tough on the weak, and make it hard to adopt to the society. Kids are bullied if they don't conform to the norm. This is not dealt with in Japan or hasn't been too much except for the few NGOs doing a good job. And it seems that their approach works.
spinach 8y ago
Why are you blaming women exactly? Japanese men seem afraid of women in general and have a need to infantalize them so they can consume them. There is a big culture of illustrated child porn there, it's out in the open, everywhere and normalized like no where else. It's retweeted on twitter by otherwise normal seeming illustrators/people, though it would disturb most people outside of Japan. The culture of cute, kawaii things is just as obvious in it's sex industry as it is in everything else, although in a very horrifying way.
- magic_beans 8y ago
  I do wonder if the pervasive sexualization of young girls in Japan deeply affects of psyche of Japanese men, who never develop the chance to form healthy sexual relationships with adult women -- because they've never had the opportunity to sexually desire adult women.
  - someguydave 8y ago
    So your theory for why some Japanese men withdraw from society is that they are defective?
    - magic_beans 8y ago
      My theory is that the cultural inclination to sexualize very young girls in Japan has created a great number of adult men who are unable to be sexually attracted to adult women. It's a cultural disorder, not a problem of any individual man being "defective".
      - YorkshireSeason 8y ago
        And your 'theory' is based on exactly what credible evidence?
- belorn 8y ago
  Your theory is that the reason why there is a gender difference where 36% of men but 59% of women in the age group of 16-19 wanting sex, is because of illustrated child porn? Does that not sound a bit like an extra ordinary claim which might need some supporting evidence? Gender roles and norms is normally used to explain gender differences, and is often one of the first area that people explore. If the data had been reversed and 36% of women and 59% of men wanted sex, what would we normally claim to be the cause?
mikhailt 8y ago
Going by this video alone, there weren't any indications (in my opinion) that they're only focusing on the cure. It did mention that the government is trying to understand the condition (which requires figuring out the causes) but the rental sisters were not treated as a cure. They're treated as last-resort treatment for some men. It is not scalable though; if there are a million or so men already in that stage, addressing the causes won't help, it is already too late for most. Note that this isn't an issue to Japan either, it is becoming a bigger issue in other countries like US, UK, India, China as well. In addition, you have not provided any source as to your assumption as what the cause is. We have the words of one men already in the video saying he was bullied and the society is tough on bullied people like that.
fgandiya 8y ago
I don't see your source alluding too this "view of masculinity as toxic". The reasons in the article are that they couldn't be bothered, not a toxic view of masculinity. I have heard about this in regards to Asian cultures[0] but I've wanted to read more into why that is. [0] I remember reading a [rational wiki article](https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Singapore https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Singapore) on Singapore and they talked about how shitty it was to be a dude because of conscription, low wages and limited job opportunities.

by alecco 8y ago

dragant 8y ago

I don't see your point. How did you link toxic masculinity, not wanting sex, and coaxing men out of the room?

magic_beans 8y ago

> After WWII they adopted a view of masculinity as toxic. And women have a big part on this phenomenon. You have no source for this at all. Don't blame Japanese women for Japanese men's lack of sexual desire. It seems Japanese women WANT to have sex. So... the problem is obviously not women.

YorkshireSeason 8y ago
> You have no source for this at all. Have you got credible sources for your crazy misandry, and crazy generalisations about JP men, women?
commandlinefan 8y ago
Well, not OP, but I can’t help but notice that women complain, a LOT, about male attention. Young men can be forgiven for taking that to mean that they just don’t want any of it.

tartoran 8y ago

I don't think that's the case here. The Japanese are tough on the weak, and make it hard to adopt to the society. Kids are bullied if they don't conform to the norm. This is not dealt with in Japan or hasn't been too much except for the few NGOs doing a good job. And it seems that their approach works.

spinach 8y ago

Why are you blaming women exactly? Japanese men seem afraid of women in general and have a need to infantalize them so they can consume them. There is a big culture of illustrated child porn there, it's out in the open, everywhere and normalized like no where else. It's retweeted on twitter by otherwise normal seeming illustrators/people, though it would disturb most people outside of Japan. The culture of cute, kawaii things is just as obvious in it's sex industry as it is in everything else, although in a very horrifying way.

magic_beans 8y ago
I do wonder if the pervasive sexualization of young girls in Japan deeply affects of psyche of Japanese men, who never develop the chance to form healthy sexual relationships with adult women -- because they've never had the opportunity to sexually desire adult women.
- someguydave 8y ago
  So your theory for why some Japanese men withdraw from society is that they are defective?
  - magic_beans 8y ago
    My theory is that the cultural inclination to sexualize very young girls in Japan has created a great number of adult men who are unable to be sexually attracted to adult women. It's a cultural disorder, not a problem of any individual man being "defective".
    - YorkshireSeason 8y ago
      And your 'theory' is based on exactly what credible evidence?
belorn 8y ago
Your theory is that the reason why there is a gender difference where 36% of men but 59% of women in the age group of 16-19 wanting sex, is because of illustrated child porn? Does that not sound a bit like an extra ordinary claim which might need some supporting evidence? Gender roles and norms is normally used to explain gender differences, and is often one of the first area that people explore. If the data had been reversed and 36% of women and 59% of men wanted sex, what would we normally claim to be the cause?

mikhailt 8y ago

Going by this video alone, there weren't any indications (in my opinion) that they're only focusing on the cure. It did mention that the government is trying to understand the condition (which requires figuring out the causes) but the rental sisters were not treated as a cure. They're treated as last-resort treatment for some men. It is not scalable though; if there are a million or so men already in that stage, addressing the causes won't help, it is already too late for most. Note that this isn't an issue to Japan either, it is becoming a bigger issue in other countries like US, UK, India, China as well. In addition, you have not provided any source as to your assumption as what the cause is. We have the words of one men already in the video saying he was bullied and the society is tough on bullied people like that.

fgandiya 8y ago

I don't see your source alluding too this "view of masculinity as toxic". The reasons in the article are that they couldn't be bothered, not a toxic view of masculinity. I have heard about this in regards to Asian cultures[0] but I've wanted to read more into why that is. [0] I remember reading a [rational wiki article](https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Singapore https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Singapore) on Singapore and they talked about how shitty it was to be a dude because of conscription, low wages and limited job opportunities.