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Don't trust this thing. AFAICT, there's not a single clear photo of the actual physical product. Everything is a rendering/CGI/dark lighting and I can't tell if

Don't trust this thing. AFAICT, there's not a single clear photo of the actual physical product. Everything is a rendering/CGI/dark lighting and I can't tell if it's real. If you had a working, quality thing, you'd expect they'd show a clear image. Warning!

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philtar 8y ago
Isn't this it? https://store.dji.com/product/livox-mid?vid=48991 https://store.dji.com/product/livox-mid?vid=48991
- anotheryou 8y ago
  yes. Maybe dji backing it is a sign of it really existing?
- joshvm 8y ago
  Usual caveat that you'll only get headline performance at 80% reflectivity, maybe a number plate? Also the IP67 rating system doesn't cover the cooling system (only IP55). Hokuyo 2D systems start from about $1k and are well regarded in researcher. SICK systems were historically used on research autonomous vehicles (eg the grand challenges), but they're far too heavy for drone use. Edit - I thought it was 1D initially, apparently the scan pattern is circular, think spirograph (or a lissajous). You'd normally do this with galvos, but this seems to be solid state.
  - rosfan 8y ago
    the specs has this 90m@10% 130m@20% 260m@80% https://www.livoxtech.com/3296f540ecf5458a8829e01cf429798e/downloads/Livox%20Mid-40%20QSG%20v1.0%20multi.pdf https://www.livoxtech.com/3296f540ecf5458a8829e01cf429798e/d...
jasoncartwright 8y ago
Doesn't actually say it's mass produced either - just "Mass-Production Ready", whatever that means.
- onetimemanytime 8y ago
  They need a market first, no? They can't just produce 100k of them and hope to sell. To me it means that thy have all the know-how plus parts and manufacturer ready to go at this price part. Of course the could be lying...er...overly optimistic and hope to get them ready after signing a contract, ala Bill Gates with DOS.
  - syntaxing 8y ago
    Depends on what market they're trying to get into. For consumers they might be away to get it. But for industry, there is an expectation of inventory which is why it's tough sometimes to have a hardware startup. Even then, it usually makes sense to make them in batches of 1000+ rather then made to order due to economy of scale.
sbr464 8y ago
This link had a few photos: https://www.reddit.com/r/UAVmapping/comments/ahlkp7/the_new_livox_lidar_is_gonna_change_the_game/?utm_source=share https://www.reddit.com/r/UAVmapping/comments/ahlkp7/the_new_...
scottlocklin 8y ago
It's pretty hilarious; if you click on the "buy" button you have to agree to this: https://www.livoxtech.com/3296f540ecf5458a8829e01c https://www.livoxtech.com/3296f540ecf5458a8829e01c (aka don't steal our stuff and don't) " (j) disclose to the public the results of any internal performance testing or benchmarking studies of or about the Productswithout first sending the results and related study(ies) to LIVOX, and obtainingLIVOX’s written approval;" There is a picture of it at checkout though!
- late2part 8y ago
  As lame as this is; it's done by many companies, as I understand it, including Amazon and Oracle, at least that's what I heard.
  - tzs 8y ago
    Yup. Once one does it, especially if that one is the market leader, then their competitors tend to do it too, because otherwise the one that did it would be able to go ahead and publish benchmarks showing it beating the others, and they would not be able to counter. Someone, I forget who exactly, tried to limit their restriction. It said something like you could not publish benchmarks of their product against your products that had benchmark restrictions unless (1) you published full specifications and configuration information so others could reproduce, and (2) you gave everyone permission to do so.
rsp1984 8y ago
They have put some videos up on YT: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCnLpB5QxlQUexi40vM12mNQ/videos https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCnLpB5QxlQUexi40vM12mNQ/vid... Some of the footage either shows real sensors or is extremely convincing CG :)

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philtar 8y ago

Isn't this it? https://store.dji.com/product/livox-mid?vid=48991 https://store.dji.com/product/livox-mid?vid=48991

anotheryou 8y ago
yes. Maybe dji backing it is a sign of it really existing?
joshvm 8y ago
Usual caveat that you'll only get headline performance at 80% reflectivity, maybe a number plate? Also the IP67 rating system doesn't cover the cooling system (only IP55). Hokuyo 2D systems start from about $1k and are well regarded in researcher. SICK systems were historically used on research autonomous vehicles (eg the grand challenges), but they're far too heavy for drone use. Edit - I thought it was 1D initially, apparently the scan pattern is circular, think spirograph (or a lissajous). You'd normally do this with galvos, but this seems to be solid state.
- rosfan 8y ago
  the specs has this 90m@10% 130m@20% 260m@80% https://www.livoxtech.com/3296f540ecf5458a8829e01cf429798e/downloads/Livox%20Mid-40%20QSG%20v1.0%20multi.pdf https://www.livoxtech.com/3296f540ecf5458a8829e01cf429798e/d...

jasoncartwright 8y ago

Doesn't actually say it's mass produced either - just "Mass-Production Ready", whatever that means.

onetimemanytime 8y ago
They need a market first, no? They can't just produce 100k of them and hope to sell. To me it means that thy have all the know-how plus parts and manufacturer ready to go at this price part. Of course the could be lying...er...overly optimistic and hope to get them ready after signing a contract, ala Bill Gates with DOS.
- syntaxing 8y ago
  Depends on what market they're trying to get into. For consumers they might be away to get it. But for industry, there is an expectation of inventory which is why it's tough sometimes to have a hardware startup. Even then, it usually makes sense to make them in batches of 1000+ rather then made to order due to economy of scale.

sbr464 8y ago

This link had a few photos: https://www.reddit.com/r/UAVmapping/comments/ahlkp7/the_new_livox_lidar_is_gonna_change_the_game/?utm_source=share https://www.reddit.com/r/UAVmapping/comments/ahlkp7/the_new_...

scottlocklin 8y ago

It's pretty hilarious; if you click on the "buy" button you have to agree to this: https://www.livoxtech.com/3296f540ecf5458a8829e01c https://www.livoxtech.com/3296f540ecf5458a8829e01c (aka don't steal our stuff and don't) " (j) disclose to the public the results of any internal performance testing or benchmarking studies of or about the Productswithout first sending the results and related study(ies) to LIVOX, and obtainingLIVOX’s written approval;" There is a picture of it at checkout though!

late2part 8y ago
As lame as this is; it's done by many companies, as I understand it, including Amazon and Oracle, at least that's what I heard.
- tzs 8y ago
  Yup. Once one does it, especially if that one is the market leader, then their competitors tend to do it too, because otherwise the one that did it would be able to go ahead and publish benchmarks showing it beating the others, and they would not be able to counter. Someone, I forget who exactly, tried to limit their restriction. It said something like you could not publish benchmarks of their product against your products that had benchmark restrictions unless (1) you published full specifications and configuration information so others could reproduce, and (2) you gave everyone permission to do so.

rsp1984 8y ago

They have put some videos up on YT: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCnLpB5QxlQUexi40vM12mNQ/videos https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCnLpB5QxlQUexi40vM12mNQ/vid... Some of the footage either shows real sensors or is extremely convincing CG :)