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Tell that to the manufacturers of TVs, cars, home alarms, AV receivers, smart watches, digital cameras, smart home devices, dash cams, game consoles, universal

Tell that to the manufacturers of TVs, cars, home alarms, AV receivers, smart watches, digital cameras, smart home devices, dash cams, game consoles, universal remotes, cordless phones, cable tv boxes, baby monitors and printers. The world is full of devices that are not open platforms for alternative operating systems. If you don't like Apple's choice in focusing on their particular solution which involves intimate software-hardware integration, the answer is to buy from a competitor. There are lots of them and they make an extremely diverse array of alternatives. Personally I'm pleased that Apple is making the product the way they do. If Apple changed to suit your needs, that would come at the expense of my needs.

chj 8y ago
well, phones and pads are good starters update: I compare it to computing slavery.
- killjoywashere 8y ago
  Yes, taking on large market monoplists has always worked so well in the past, let's try that again /s
- sjwright 8y ago
  You don't need to demand Apple change. There are countless phones and pads available from other companies, many of which will satisfy your requirements.
  - chj 8y ago
    Look, I am not saying these things to satisfy my personal needs, and I am not demanding Apple anything, that's only a piece of advice. A reminder that there is a bigger elephant in the room. I have been using Android since my iphone6 retired, and everything is great.
vinay427 8y ago
This is a textbook example of Whataboutism. No one is saying that TVs, etc. shouldn't be different, but asking for more flexibility of software on Apple's devices is a reasonable follow-up to Tim Cook's stated desire for more data privacy. Your following statement is roughly equivalent to saying the following, which I don't endorse: "If you don't like Google's choice in focusing on their particular solution which involves intimate user-data integration for more intelligent assistance, the answer is to buy from a competitor." You can buy from a competitor to avoid data privacy issues as well. However, to some people that doesn't justify offering and marketing an option that compromises that value.
- sjwright 8y ago
  > "If you don't like Google's choice in focusing on their particular solution which involves intimate user-data integration for more intelligent assistance, the answer is to buy from a competitor." No, that's exactly right. Competitors exist. Using them makes them stronger.
DavideNL 8y ago
"If Apple changed to suit your needs, that would come at the expense of my needs." Not really, if apple locks down iOS devices by default, and would create the ability to opt-out for developers/people who want to be able to create/install their own code, nothing changes for you/most people. Much like how SIP works on macOS, enabled by default, ability to disable if needed.
- intopieces 8y ago
  This is an interesting idea. Say, on first boot of your new iPhone, you get a screen that says, "Which experience do you want?" with options, "Apple's curated" or "Choose your own adventure" with the proper caveats for the latter: "Choosing this option will allow you to install 3rd party software not reviewed by Apple. Such software could contain features which could harm your device. Some award-winning features designed by Apple will be unavailable in this mode. You may revert to the "Apple Curated Experience" at any time by navigating to Settings -> General -> My Experience." In other words, keep the walled garden, but give your users a key to the gate. The question is, will we then see users demand Apple make their software available outside the gate? I would want Apple to make no commitments to developing there. No Music.app, no iCloud, no iMessages, no Safari. You get a 3rd party store with 3rd party apps on Apple's hardware.

chj 8y ago

well, phones and pads are good starters update: I compare it to computing slavery.

killjoywashere 8y ago
Yes, taking on large market monoplists has always worked so well in the past, let's try that again /s
sjwright 8y ago
You don't need to demand Apple change. There are countless phones and pads available from other companies, many of which will satisfy your requirements.
- chj 8y ago
  Look, I am not saying these things to satisfy my personal needs, and I am not demanding Apple anything, that's only a piece of advice. A reminder that there is a bigger elephant in the room. I have been using Android since my iphone6 retired, and everything is great.

vinay427 8y ago

This is a textbook example of Whataboutism. No one is saying that TVs, etc. shouldn't be different, but asking for more flexibility of software on Apple's devices is a reasonable follow-up to Tim Cook's stated desire for more data privacy. Your following statement is roughly equivalent to saying the following, which I don't endorse: "If you don't like Google's choice in focusing on their particular solution which involves intimate user-data integration for more intelligent assistance, the answer is to buy from a competitor." You can buy from a competitor to avoid data privacy issues as well. However, to some people that doesn't justify offering and marketing an option that compromises that value.

sjwright 8y ago
> "If you don't like Google's choice in focusing on their particular solution which involves intimate user-data integration for more intelligent assistance, the answer is to buy from a competitor." No, that's exactly right. Competitors exist. Using them makes them stronger.

DavideNL 8y ago

"If Apple changed to suit your needs, that would come at the expense of my needs." Not really, if apple locks down iOS devices by default, and would create the ability to opt-out for developers/people who want to be able to create/install their own code, nothing changes for you/most people. Much like how SIP works on macOS, enabled by default, ability to disable if needed.

intopieces 8y ago
This is an interesting idea. Say, on first boot of your new iPhone, you get a screen that says, "Which experience do you want?" with options, "Apple's curated" or "Choose your own adventure" with the proper caveats for the latter: "Choosing this option will allow you to install 3rd party software not reviewed by Apple. Such software could contain features which could harm your device. Some award-winning features designed by Apple will be unavailable in this mode. You may revert to the "Apple Curated Experience" at any time by navigating to Settings -> General -> My Experience." In other words, keep the walled garden, but give your users a key to the gate. The question is, will we then see users demand Apple make their software available outside the gate? I would want Apple to make no commitments to developing there. No Music.app, no iCloud, no iMessages, no Safari. You get a 3rd party store with 3rd party apps on Apple's hardware.