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It's not the "nothing to hide" folks you fear, its the general crowd who couldn't give two shits that their tech is phoning home all the time until something th

It's not the "nothing to hide" folks you fear, its the general crowd who couldn't give two shits that their tech is phoning home all the time until something they find private gets leaked and causes them embarrassment. suprisingly few people have been burned badly enough for anyone other than Apple to take this stance on privacy. Apple is doing a good deed fighting for privacy and data control being returned to the consumers but its a fight against human laziness and the willingness to go with the easier option, instead of chosing the platform that actually respects their privacy and rights to data. Apple by definition is in the minority when it comes to fighting for privacy and at this point its a little too late for anyone to care other than tech savvy apple users who intentionally chose apple for privacy. The rest of the market has traded privacy for all you can eat buffets of information and content. And people actually like all you can eat buffets, who would've thought?

Silhouette 8y ago
It's not the "nothing to hide" folks you fear, its the general crowd who couldn't give two shits that their tech is phoning home all the time until something they find private gets leaked and causes them embarrassment. I'm not sure that's a fair criticism. Among my non-technical friends, several have expressed concern or even active disapproval about things they know are happening in this area. They just don't see that they have any alternative. How do you buy any modern phone or participate in any modern social networks or buy any modern car -- all things most regular people need to integrate with society and live a normal life today -- without surrendering huge amounts of your personal privacy and potentially security?
dingaling 8y ago
Until Apple enables a user to deny all Internet access to an app then they haven't really committed to data control.
- danieldk 8y ago
  This is a strange benchmark. Along those standards, Linux or BSD also haven't committed to data control. Like Linux or BSD, you can set up the packet filter to do so. Like Linux or BSD there are no user-friendly, out-of-the-box ways to do it. On macOS it is at least easy to do using third-party applications (e.g. Little Snitch or TripMode).
  - glennpratt 8y ago
    unshare -n
    - danieldk 8y ago
      Thank you for illustrating my point ;).
      - glennpratt 8y ago
        It was mostly a joke, but at the same time this is what makes Docker, et al possible. A firewall alone is not much of a sandbox.
  - pdimitar 8y ago
    > Along those standards, Linux or BSD also haven't committed to data control. Well yes, they haven't. Not in a convenient way anyway. I've had a sysadmin friend explaining me the lenghts you have to go to to achieve such results. To him it was easy. I just said "feck that". The fact that every single app isn't sandboxed is also pretty disappointing.
- saagarjha 8y ago
  I think this is a thing in China, where you can turn off all data access to apps?
- pdimitar 8y ago
  Not sure why you're downvoted. I'd jump with joy if the next iOS / Win10 / Linux / BSD / Android version allows you to completely stop an app from using a network connection, Wi-Fi or otherwise. Disallowing 3G/4G to apps is not enough. But of course nobody is gonna do it since ads are served in hundreds of thousands of Bejeweled clones and Apple/Google wouldn't want displeased app developers letting that ad revenue dry up. :(

Silhouette 8y ago

It's not the "nothing to hide" folks you fear, its the general crowd who couldn't give two shits that their tech is phoning home all the time until something they find private gets leaked and causes them embarrassment. I'm not sure that's a fair criticism. Among my non-technical friends, several have expressed concern or even active disapproval about things they know are happening in this area. They just don't see that they have any alternative. How do you buy any modern phone or participate in any modern social networks or buy any modern car -- all things most regular people need to integrate with society and live a normal life today -- without surrendering huge amounts of your personal privacy and potentially security?

dingaling 8y ago

Until Apple enables a user to deny all Internet access to an app then they haven't really committed to data control.

danieldk 8y ago
This is a strange benchmark. Along those standards, Linux or BSD also haven't committed to data control. Like Linux or BSD, you can set up the packet filter to do so. Like Linux or BSD there are no user-friendly, out-of-the-box ways to do it. On macOS it is at least easy to do using third-party applications (e.g. Little Snitch or TripMode).
- glennpratt 8y ago
  unshare -n
  - danieldk 8y ago
    Thank you for illustrating my point ;).
    - glennpratt 8y ago
      It was mostly a joke, but at the same time this is what makes Docker, et al possible. A firewall alone is not much of a sandbox.
- pdimitar 8y ago
  > Along those standards, Linux or BSD also haven't committed to data control. Well yes, they haven't. Not in a convenient way anyway. I've had a sysadmin friend explaining me the lenghts you have to go to to achieve such results. To him it was easy. I just said "feck that". The fact that every single app isn't sandboxed is also pretty disappointing.
saagarjha 8y ago
I think this is a thing in China, where you can turn off all data access to apps?
pdimitar 8y ago
Not sure why you're downvoted. I'd jump with joy if the next iOS / Win10 / Linux / BSD / Android version allows you to completely stop an app from using a network connection, Wi-Fi or otherwise. Disallowing 3G/4G to apps is not enough. But of course nobody is gonna do it since ads are served in hundreds of thousands of Bejeweled clones and Apple/Google wouldn't want displeased app developers letting that ad revenue dry up. :(