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"the much-needed, massive die-off of homo sapiens back to a more sustainable population size." Ah yes the Anti-human environmental movement! lets put those guy

"the much-needed, massive die-off of homo sapiens back to a more sustainable population size." Ah yes the Anti-human environmental movement! lets put those guys in charge!

RealityVoid 8y ago
I fail to understand this human-hating stance. It's very confusing to me especially seems it seems to be cheering the suffering and death of many people but the feeling seems to be prompted by the suffering and death of many people. It's simply confusing to me.
- petermcneeley 8y ago
  I would guess that while logically inconsistent this stance actually fulfills a deep rooted biological program which is activated by the apparent scarcity of resources.
- rdiddly 8y ago
  You guys are all missing the point. It doesn't matter who cheers, who "hates humans" (which is a ridiculous oversimplification) or who's "in charge" (since no one is). It doesn't matter if you like it or hate it. Is it "anti-rain" or "pro-rain" to notice a heavy rain cloud? I dunno but the rain absolutely doesn't care what you think. It doesn't even mind if you disingenuously reduce the issue to the same old simplistic pro/anti binary. If you have the basic powers of observation of natural laws, and aren't so vain as to believe humans are exempt from them, you can see this coming. I've already gone through my 5 stages of grief about it, that's what you're picking up on. It's not anti-human; driving your car is anti-human. To the tune of 35,000 Americans killed every year by it, and that's just from crashes. Don't blame me for how you feel when you hear the bad news for what I'm pretty sure is not the first time. The pro-human approach would be to see this coming ahead of time and actually manage the transition. EDIT: ...like Germany is trying to do (a step in the right direction, but probably not enough and not fast enough)
  - petermcneeley 8y ago
    Most European style countries are doing just fine (including japan and korea). Small populations and moderate to negative birthrates. Great environmental laws and various forms of recycling and waste management. Various technological developments reduce overall resource consumption. In many of these countries there even internalized personal beliefs that reduce urban pollution. Do you think nature can even hold a candle to these organized peoples? You think these people are afraid of water? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flood_control_in_the_Netherlands#/media/File:The_Netherlands_compared_to_sealevel.png https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flood_control_in_the_Netherlan...
    - rdiddly 8y ago
      I'm not sure what you mean with the fear of water. I brought up rain as an analogy for something that happens no matter what your opinion of it. And if anything the people along the Rhein may soon have to fear a relative absence of water. But anyway yes, most of the European countries deserve compliments for actually taking action on the climate issue. I fear it won't be enough, but there's a chance it will be, and anyway at least it's something. The USA where I am, can't even satisfy the prerequisites. To implement a solution, you have to first reach a consensus about what reality is. Then you have to decide what actions to take based on that consensus. Then you have to put some adults in charge of implementing those measures. Then they implement them. The USA can't even get past step 1 ("What is reality?") because a kind of psychosis seems to rule the land.
      - petermcneeley 8y ago
        The facts are irrelevant at this stage this is purely politics. The poor and middle class do not want to be penalized for climate change (French yellow jacket protests are most visible example of this). This is just bluffing between economic groups.

"the much-needed, massive die-off of homo sapiens back to a more sustainable population size." Ah yes the Anti-human environmental movement! lets put those guys in charge!

RealityVoid 8y ago

I fail to understand this human-hating stance. It's very confusing to me especially seems it seems to be cheering the suffering and death of many people but the feeling seems to be prompted by the suffering and death of many people. It's simply confusing to me.

petermcneeley 8y ago
I would guess that while logically inconsistent this stance actually fulfills a deep rooted biological program which is activated by the apparent scarcity of resources.
rdiddly 8y ago
You guys are all missing the point. It doesn't matter who cheers, who "hates humans" (which is a ridiculous oversimplification) or who's "in charge" (since no one is). It doesn't matter if you like it or hate it. Is it "anti-rain" or "pro-rain" to notice a heavy rain cloud? I dunno but the rain absolutely doesn't care what you think. It doesn't even mind if you disingenuously reduce the issue to the same old simplistic pro/anti binary. If you have the basic powers of observation of natural laws, and aren't so vain as to believe humans are exempt from them, you can see this coming. I've already gone through my 5 stages of grief about it, that's what you're picking up on. It's not anti-human; driving your car is anti-human. To the tune of 35,000 Americans killed every year by it, and that's just from crashes. Don't blame me for how you feel when you hear the bad news for what I'm pretty sure is not the first time. The pro-human approach would be to see this coming ahead of time and actually manage the transition. EDIT: ...like Germany is trying to do (a step in the right direction, but probably not enough and not fast enough)
- petermcneeley 8y ago
  Most European style countries are doing just fine (including japan and korea). Small populations and moderate to negative birthrates. Great environmental laws and various forms of recycling and waste management. Various technological developments reduce overall resource consumption. In many of these countries there even internalized personal beliefs that reduce urban pollution. Do you think nature can even hold a candle to these organized peoples? You think these people are afraid of water? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flood_control_in_the_Netherlands#/media/File:The_Netherlands_compared_to_sealevel.png https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flood_control_in_the_Netherlan...
  - rdiddly 8y ago
    I'm not sure what you mean with the fear of water. I brought up rain as an analogy for something that happens no matter what your opinion of it. And if anything the people along the Rhein may soon have to fear a relative absence of water. But anyway yes, most of the European countries deserve compliments for actually taking action on the climate issue. I fear it won't be enough, but there's a chance it will be, and anyway at least it's something. The USA where I am, can't even satisfy the prerequisites. To implement a solution, you have to first reach a consensus about what reality is. Then you have to decide what actions to take based on that consensus. Then you have to put some adults in charge of implementing those measures. Then they implement them. The USA can't even get past step 1 ("What is reality?") because a kind of psychosis seems to rule the land.
    - petermcneeley 8y ago
      The facts are irrelevant at this stage this is purely politics. The poor and middle class do not want to be penalized for climate change (French yellow jacket protests are most visible example of this). This is just bluffing between economic groups.