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The only thing that could get me to upgrade from my iPhone 7 would be a premium version of the iPhone SE. I want a smaller phone, not a bigger one, but I want u
by stanmancan 8y ago
The only thing that could get me to upgrade from my iPhone 7 would be a premium version of the iPhone SE. I want a smaller phone, not a bigger one, but I want updated specs and possibly an OLED screen.
- SwiftyBug 8y agoThat's my dream. I too currently own an iPhone 7. I was hoping for an improved iPhone SE, with the screen covering all of it's front, FaceID, the whole package. I couldn't care less about double, triple cameras. I want a phone smaller than the one I have now, which nowadays is the smallest you can get from Apple. That's frustrating.
- lostlogin 8y agoNot only is this something I’d love, it’s also a comment that gets a lot of upvotes on Hackers News every time it’s made. Do HN readers have an unusual like for ‘small’ phones or is it just an unserved market?
- whitepoplar 8y agoI like small phones because I feel that they're a better tradeoff between form + functionality. I want a premium phone, and I'm willing to pay a lot for it, but I also want to spend as little time on my phone as possible. A smaller screen gives me all the benefit while being easy to carry and handle, and the small screen keeps me from using it too much. I also happen to think small screens feel more elegant. The promise of technology has always been to amplify humans without detracting from the important parts of life. Big screen phones feel ideologically wrong to me in that people use them as a replacement for life.
- quicklime 8y agoWhen my iPhone 5S died on me a few months ago, I bought a large Android phone to replace it. I've tracked screen-on time and noticed it ramp right up - from something like 90 minutes a day to 2 or even 3 hours now. Most of the increase is due to the fact that it's easier to use in bed before I get up in the morning, as well as before I go to sleep. So I tend to waste more time than I used to, watching YouTube or mindlessly browsing the web. I'm going to try out the new Digital Wellbeing stuff in Android Pie, which lets me set restrictions on app use. But it feels like a smaller phone is a much better solution, as it doesn't have any compromise in terms of portability - what's the point of having a big screen if I'm just going to disable the things that it's good at? It would be nice if Apple or Google or anyone else could commit to serving the small phone market.
- scottmcf 8y agoYeah, I moved from an SE to an 8+, then an XS Max. I love the new phones, but if they brought out a premium SE I'd swap to that in a second.
- aylmao 8y agoI don't care about the size too much, but small has the advantage of one-handed use, of fitting better in my pocket and being less likely to break. I kind of care about the design. It's elegant-- I like the flat camera, the chamfered edges and the brick-y form (which I appreciate they brought back with the new iPad Pro). What I care most about though is the headphone jack. This is why I still keep mine around in spite of having another phone-- to listen to music. EDIT: The fact that it's cheaper, so I could get more memory for the same price as a bigger model also contributes to it still sticking around primarily for music, but also with some games.
- sh87 8y agoThat right there sounds like a solid reason for Apple to not go that route. Customers who paid over $1000 will now be spending under $500 for an Apple phone. Thats bad for business.
- scottmcf 8y agoI agree, that's a good point in many cases. Personally, I used my SE in combination with an iPad. The bigger phones made the tablet unnecessary, I can comfortable do what I need on my phone screen now.
- rhizome 8y agoIf I wanna watch TV I'll watch my TV, but I think this is almost certainly an opinion that marks me as an old person.
- XMPPwocky 8y agoI used to do the same, but eventually the bus driver got mad at me and stopped letting me bring the TV on.
- d--b 8y agoTotally agree. HNers do understand the tradeoffs better. It's like when they started making laptop screen reflective. All my non-tech relatives were saying: "wow that screen is super nice" while I was thinking: "holy crap, the matte screen is disappearing, how I am going to work?"
- nkristoffersen 8y agoAlthough I would argue you should not want the matte screen. They get washed out from ambient light and thus have poorer contrast than reflective screens that can reject ambient light (at proper angles).
- llampx 8y agoGlossy screens can be great in the correct lighting. A few point sources of light that are not directly behind the viewer are great, and you can benefit from the increased contrast that foregoing the matte layer gets you. However, in a situation where you have ambient light from everywhere, like an open office with many windows, glossy screens are insanely distracting. I much prefer the matte screens for that. Yes things on the screen can be harder to read, but way better compared to the "looking into a mirror" effect of a glossy screen.
- jfoutz 8y agoapple has masterful market segmentation. they want the inexpensive option to not really fill a specific niche, they want it to be a little uncomfortable, that you're already making compromises so you'll pay a grand for the fancy one instead. What i'm trying to say is, making a smaller option would be cheaper. That would cannibalize high end sales. From the seller's point of view, you want the best alternative to compromise all of your desires, so it's not that big of a deal to just upgrade. something inherently small violates that. HNers can identify the tradeoffs. Apple probably understands the tradeoffs better though. Apple exploits them. (I say this as a loyal iphone owner.)
- slededit 8y agoThey’ve done this forever with their computers. Happy with the CPU but don’t want a horrible 5400rpm hard drive (Yes iMacs still ship with those)? Well you’re going to need to bump up to the higher CPU model.
- ForHackernews 8y agoI got this one: https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/jellyphone/atom-world-s-smallest-4g-rugged-smartphone/ https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/jellyphone/atom-world-s... It is not "elegant" by any stretch of the imagination, but it is extremely small. Like you, I want something that is very small in my pocket and not distracting me from real life.
- labster 8y agoI think it's that hackers spend most of our day on an actual computer, either desktop or laptop, so there's no need to carry a larger cellular modem in our pockets. We use the tool that's right for the job: a real keyboard for writing, and a small phone for holding to our head.
- sosborn 8y agoThe portion of the market not being served will always be the loudest. It doesn’t mean it is a meaningful slice (in terms of numbers) of the market.
- mettamage 8y agoSounds simple to say but it's true: my pockets aren't that big and my hands aren't big enough either to comfortably hold a big phone. Can you touch all the corners of the screen with your thumb while holding your phone without moving your hand?
- wodenokoto 8y agoSince no one here is rushing to get the small xperia phones I'm guessing it is one of those things people want, but at the same time is the first feature they are willing to give up. another case in point: parent only wants to change to smaller phone if all other specs are also improved.
- jsgo 8y agoI bought the iPhone X because it was almost iPhone 8 Plus at iPhone 8 size. But if there were a iPhone SE2 that followed the “all screen design” and was almost an iPhone 8 in an iPhone 5s body? Sign me up. I don’t think Xperia matters much here is it is sacrificing iOS and also to a lesser degree, an Android manufacturer that isn’t known for great software on that end.
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- paulie_a 8y agoI hate all screen design I also want a thicker phone. I want to be able to actually hold the damn thing. I get a case because those are now design flaws.
- jsgo 8y agothat's fair. I'm not saying get rid of other designs, just saying there is interest in smaller devices. I personally don't have an issue holding mine with or without a case, though I had a Samsung Galaxy Edge so I became accustomed to not resting too much on the front. I could see where someone who isn't accustomed to it or, fair enough, has no interest in becoming accustomed to that disliking it and that's fine. I respect that.
- paulie_a 8y agoI hated the Galaxy edge because the edge menu was pretty pointless. And it came with Samsung shitware.
- barbs 8y agoI can't speak for all HNers but I recently bought a 128gb iPhone SE from someone on Gumtree after having used Android phones for 5 years (I'm an Android developer). I could not find any modern 4" phones. I really like being able to comfortably read the entire screen with one thumb, and the form of the phone just feels comfortable and functional. It's also one of the last modern iPhones with a headphone jack. I do still prefer Android as an OS, though I am still getting used to iOS's quirks. I'm very happy with my purchase, though.
- frabbit 8y agohttps://www.amazon.com/Unihertz-Smallest-Smartphone-Android-Unlocked/dp/B0752BYRHM https://www.amazon.com/Unihertz-Smallest-Smartphone-Android-... I have had one of the above for about a year. Battery life is not too great, but for my needs (occasional phone call, text, google maps) it works fine. Fits in the front coin pocket of my jeans.
- barbs 8y agoOh cool, thanks! How's the performance?
- angry_octet 8y agoGet the battery replacement from Apple. Still free in Australia due to consumer Law guarantees.
- angry_octet 8y agoHave I been downvoted by a vengeful Apple lawyer?
- JansjoFromIkea 8y agoI think the issue is that, day-to-day, quite a lot of people would far prefer a smaller phone (especially if it also packs better battery life), but when it comes to buying a new phone, these just aren't very attractive selling options. There's definitely a potential market for smaller phones, but someone's gotta figure out how to market them.
- moltar 8y agoI love SE. For me it’s a perfect fit factor. It’s small. I can reach all screen parts with one hand. It has a flat side, and can be placed on it’s side, eg when watching something.
- stevewillows 8y agoFor me, I barely physically use my phone. I use iMessage from my mbp and get most notifications on my Pebble. I do use the phone itself for audiobooks and podcasts, but otherwise its basically a server (not the best term for that.. but you get what I mean.) What I don't get about the larger phones is how people comfortably carry them around. Maybe its because I wear skinny jeans / pants, but there's absolutely no way I could fit a larger phone in the pockets of my pants, and I rarely have a jacket on. But the love of the SE form-factor is not isolated to HN. I know a lot of people who love a smaller phone for various reasons. As the tech gets thinner, I'm longing for the day when we get something similar to the folding phone from HER, but with a few modifications (e.g. memory LCD / eink for other side..)
- lsc 8y ago>What I don't get about the larger phones is how people comfortably carry them around. Maybe its because I wear skinny jeans / pants, but there's absolutely no way I could fit a larger phone in the pockets of my pants, and I rarely have a jacket on. Aside from a cellphone, I also carry a kindle all the time. I literally wear special pants so I can carry my kindle without a bag. I mean, they aren't custom made or anything, but I do limit myself to baggy pants with giant cargo pockets. I keep saying I'm going to take all my electronics to a tailor and ask for less ridiculous pants that can carry all my stuff, but I haven't. (that said, if apple released a new phone with new screen and network quality that was the size of the SE, I would buy it, just 'cause it's a lot easier to use with just one hand, and when I want to use both hands, I have bigger devices.)
- rayiner 8y agoWomen put them in purses. Most men are too heavy to wear skinny jeans. I’m not a particularly large guy, but a 6s plus fits fine in my Levi’s jeans’ pocket (regular cut).
- cimmanom 8y agoSome of us don’t want to carry a purse all the time even when we go outside. Let alone having to schlep one around inside the office just to have our phones with us.
- toasterlovin 8y agoMotivated minorities are over-represented in media (both social and traditional).
- dymk 8y agoTrue, but they're proportionally represented where product decisions become important - in the revenue spreadsheets
- weaksauce 8y agofor me it's more of a i'd rather be able to put it in my pocket easily and not have to worry about breaking it than anything else.
- cabaalis 8y agoIn my case, brachydactyly type d makes horizontally thinner screens (not necessarily just "smaller" ones) much easier to use. I watch people on Youtube review these giant phones, and it's the only times in my life I've experienced thumb envy.
- darkpuma 8y agoBefore iphones got big, I used to regularly see iphone owners mocking large android phones, saying that large phones are inconvenient, unnecessary, uncomfortable, etc. Perhaps those people were serious, and now feel like they've been left out in the cold.
- Xixi 8y agoYou are describing me... So I'm there waiting for the iPhone mini/nano. I find it somewhat fascinating that Apple has chosen to reproduce the mistakes of the Mac (in the late eighties/early nineties -> higher prices/margins at the expense of market shares) rather the success of the iPod (own all the market, with an iPod at every price point). I don't think it's a winning strategy in the long term, though it has worked so far.
- _chris_ 8y ago> Do HN readers have an unusual like for ‘small’ phones or is it just an unserved market? My wife wants a phone that can fit into her jean pockets. Requiring handbags just to carry a phone around is absurd, and untenable for many people.
- acct1771 8y agoBeing familiar with the state of women's clothing, you need to bitch at them to increase female pocket size, for that general complaint.
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- leovander 8y agohttps://www.kickstarter.com/projects/radian/the-perfect-everyday-jeans https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/radian/the-perfect-ever...
- Wowfunhappy 8y agoWhat's absurd is the size of pockets in women's clothing.
- bronzefish 8y agoYeah it's bizarre how they keep buying dysfunctional clothing.
- _emacsomancer_ 8y agoI think HN readers are likely to own a(t least one) proper desktop and laptop, whereas for some/many other people their mobile device is really their only/main device in which case it makes sense to want a device with a larger screen. But when you have other other computing devices with large screen, it makes sense to desire a mobile device that's easiest to carry and easier to operate (one-handed etc.).
- ianai 8y agoExactly. SE for mobility and iPad for screen real estate.
- lsc 8y agoMy theory is that big phones are best for single device users. Most of my social circle has a computer at home and at work, and they often carry a laptop or tablet. The phone, in that case, really is a mobile device, and especially if you are carrying around a bunch of other crap, a small phone is awful nice. My theory is that big phones dominate because a lot of people don't have reliable/maintained computers other than their cellphone. If that was true of me, I'd want the biggest cellphone I could get, too. Personally, I think if this is true, and phone companies figure it out, you'll see phones begin to be priced like turn-of-the-millennium laptops. The giant and clunky "desktop replacement" units should be giant and priced at the bottom of the market. The small units should have all the premium features and be way more expensive. The fact that there are very few small smartphones being made and that none of those are 'premium' smartphones would indicate that either I am wrong or there's a market opportunity that the major cellphone manufacturers are missing.
- Damogran6 8y agoI like my big phone because a) I'm going blind in my old age, and b) the security requirements at the work keep my private life on my big phone, seperate from the network at the office.
- walterbell 8y agoStaring at a phone is not good for your eyes, due to the short distance. A small SE phone for critical/mobile tasks and iPad for reading is a practical combo.
- lsc 8y agois that true? I mean, that staring at a screen degrades your vision? I haven't read anything convincing on the subject.
- walterbell 8y agoIt's a complex topic, depends on age, genetics, corrective lens or not, nature of your work and neuroplasticity. However, the eyecare industry agrees that max period for continuous closeup work (screen, paper, objects) is 20 minutes. https://opto.ca/health-library/the-20-20-20-rule https://opto.ca/health-library/the-20-20-20-rule 2018 thread: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16146106 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16146106
- drb91 8y agoWell, it fits in any pocket, it has a headphone jack, and i don’t need to stretch to use it one handed.
- mark-r 8y agoI recently had to use a smaller screen phone when my larger one broke and I was waiting for its replacement. I found the smaller keyboard to be nearly unusable compared to what I was used to, and the replacement larger phone only reinforces that impression.
- johnmaguire2013 8y agoI have very small hands. Many small gloves don't fit me. I have no issues with keyboards on small phones, especially with a learning keyboard like SwiftKey.
- lostlogin 8y agoSome people are very offended to be told they have small hands. Don’t miss the bit where a photo of his hands is posted out yearly. https://money.cnn.com/2016/03/04/media/donald-trump-fingers-hands/index.html https://money.cnn.com/2016/03/04/media/donald-trump-fingers-...
- lsc 8y agodo you type with both hands?
- mark-r 8y agoNo I do not. The problem was that I was hitting the wrong key far too often. I should emphasize that this was an Android phone, not an iPhone.
- lsc 8y agoInteresting. when I use my iphone SE, I use it one handed; I use swype with my thumb, which doesn't look like it'd work; my thumb practically covers the whole keyboard, but it ends up working really well for me. swype on the bigger iphones for me is a lot less comfortable, and I end up holding the phone with one hand and typing with the other. I haven't tried a "pop socket" yet, but that might be the solution.
- vinay_ys 8y agoIt's because everyone here has a bigger screen (laptop) and hence wants a smaller screen phone. For vast majority of the world, phone is the only screen they own. And hence they want bigger screen.
- dmortin 8y agoI doubt the majority of people have only a phone. Unless it's a poor 3rd world country, most people have some kind of computer at home, or at least a tablet. There's a difference between having a mobile device with you in the city and using a device comfortable at home where most people prefer a bigger screen.
- etatoby 8y agoYou would be surprised. Even if you control for income (rather than blanket exclude "3rd world countries") I bet the majority of the population, across all age groups, could not proficiently use a traditional computer, let alone own one. While more and more are getting used to smartphones every day.
- dmortin 8y agoThat's why I mentioned tablets too. I'm sure most people have a tablet at home for more comfortable browsing, video watching, etc.
- ksec 8y ago>I doubt the majority of people have only a phone. Well only in the context of US, EU, Canada, AUS, and the like. Or if you consider China, India to be a poor 3rd world country. There are more people using their Smartphone as their only computer devices in China / SEA than the whole of US and EU population combined. There are elderly who never had a computer in their life are now using Smartphone as their first "computer". You will be surprised how many people can't double click a mouse, and moving mouse cursor around is a daunting task. And how using iPhone is 10x more intuitive.
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- OccamsMirror 8y agoI want a smaller screen because I usually carry my iPad mini around with me for when I actually want to consume content. My phone is for calls, messaging, directions, Uber and quick Google searches.
- tatami 8y agoI assume the "small screen"-faction are just more vocal about it, because they feel left out by the market. The vast majority prefers, or at least don't mind the bigger screens, but don't mind phone manufacturers offering smaller versions, because they know it won't affect them in any way. If I posted "I loved it every time my phone screen got bigger" every time this discussion comes up, it won't add much to the discussion. Now imagine ten times of the complaint-comments are of this type, that's just spam.
- xeromal 8y agoIt definitely feels like a meme on reddit and HN. haha
- setgree 8y ago> a comment that gets a lot of upvotes on Hackers News every time it’s made. I wonder how many of us, if asked, would say that we spend too much time on our phones? Probably higher than the population at large. A bigger screen is nicer to look at, I readily grant. But that's exactly the problem.
- hennsen 8y agothere may be a part of the population who likes to put their mobile phone into their jeans’ front pocket instead of having to carry a daypack for it or these new cases to carry them outside on a string... thats why i like ~4 inch phones
- thirdsun 8y agoFor an increasing number of "normal" people the phone is the primary computing device, mobile or at home. However I'd be surprised if that trend applies to the HN crowd, which probably considers their phones as a secondary device, at best. An extension of the multiple other computers they use more frequently, something you need on the go, a mobile device that's used for quick glances and short uses, which gets relegated to second or third device at home. At least that's how I see it and it is why I value a small, portable form factor. Plus, I have small hands.
- clouddrover 8y ago> I want a smaller phone, not a bigger one I'd like a foldable or furlable phone that offers the best of both worlds. You'd use it folded or furled most of the time and unfold or unfurl it when you want a bigger screen. The current foldable phones seem to be a bit too thick when folded, but I've never seen one in person so that may be a false impression.
- dmix 8y agoWhy would you fold a phone without a keyboard? It will always be thicker which is a bigger problem IMO when putting it in your pocket than a long phone.
- clouddrover 8y agoBecause a foldable phone offers double the screen size when you want it. It just has to be made thin enough so it's not too thick when folded.
- leoh 8y agoI just want an upgraded SE, too; nothing fancy with folding
- brohoolio 8y agoMy dream phone is a “military grade” SE. Slightly larger battery, rugged phone. I know it would be thicker, I’d be good with that.
- Sendotsh 8y agoI'd love an SE with a better camera and a "weekend long" battery, meaning I can go camping or whatever Friday evening, come back Sunday night, and use it a fair bit for photos and music and stuff while away. Give it a tough exterior and I'd settle for it being twice as thick as current, and all the associated weight, and pay a premium for it. I miss having tough phones that lasted for days. All the current tough phones have really really crap specs and run Android that's multiple versions behind, and Apple hardware these days needs to be treated like a newborn baby.
- mdorazio 8y agoTotally with you. I've been thinking of getting a rugged battery case for my SE to accomplish this, but obviously the camera will still be not great compared to newer phones.
- remarkEon 8y agoThis is literally what I want, badly. I recently upgraded my 7 to an 8 because my 7 was too easy to damage - even with a rather rugged case (a simple drop shattered the screen). I'm really uninterested in things like camera upgrades (male, early 30s). After this phone, this will be the first time I seriously entertain a non-Apple product for my computing hardware. At the usual Apple price point, a military grade phone is what I should expect.
- alanlamm 8y agoa smartphone equivalent of a nokia 1110.
- ummonk 8y agoYou can’t get the larger battery but there are thick cases out there that make your phone way more rugged.
- nileshk 8y agoI'm also on an iPhone 7, and don't even really want a premium version of the iPhone SE, I just want an SE-sized phone with water resistance. If it had nicer specs (e.g. hardware on par with iPhone 8 and a better display) that would a bonus. However, I wouldn't want a high-res display necessarily. I think they should keep the pixel density of the current SE. What I would found after briefly using an SE is that the low-res display coupled with the CPU/GPU from the 6S resulted in amazing UI performance -- much better than the 6S and maybe even the 7. Getting rid of the bezels would be nice, though that might detract from one of the advantages of the SE, that you can firmly grip the phone while being able to touch any part of the screen with your thumb, but it would be worth the trade-off I think. I spent a week with an SE, after having used the 6 and the 6S before doing so, and I found I quickly adjusted to the smaller screen, and could even type faster since there was less finger travel needed (relying heavily on auto-correct). Battery life on the SE is also great (at least it was for me), and I'd like to see that replicated on a newer small phone, with whatever tradeoff is necessary to accomplish it (e.g. low-res display, thicker phone).
- brassattax 8y agoI like smaller phones too, currently I have the smallest Android phone I know of (Sony Xperia X Compact). I wish they went even smaller though, I'd LOVE a modern smartphone the size of the Palm Prē
- seltzered_ 8y agoI’d love to buy an “upgrade service” of my iPhone SE that just replaced the mainboard and camera panel with whatever the latest and greatest is, and replaced the battery with a fresh one. Would love to understand supply chain / reverse logistics / ewaste trade offs to understand if this is practical. (And yes, I’m aware of projects like fairphone, ara, etc. I’m not saying user serviceability is a requirement) I’ve speculated this is perhaps more practical on newer laptops (e.g. 2016- MacBooks) where ports have consolidated to just all usb-c and presumably stay that way for longer than a typical 3-year physical design cycle.
- sjwright 8y agoI don't think upgrading a phone makes sense from an e-waste point of view, particularly if the alternative is a robust recycling program like what Apple promotes. Look at the constituent parts of an iPhone SE: https://d3nevzfk7ii3be.cloudfront.net/igi/cDmVFvtAKTZvjOBk.huge https://d3nevzfk7ii3be.cloudfront.net/igi/cDmVFvtAKTZvjOBk.h... An upgrade necessarily includes a new logic board and likely a new camera module. Once you're disassembling it, you'd inevitably be swap out the battery too. Most of the remaining parts have a distinctly limited service life—in particular the battery, physical buttons and connectors. The front glass assembly with LCD screen might have a long theoretical life but these do deteriorate over time, they get damaged easily and replaced fairly often. After excluding the above, there's not much left to salvage—mostly aluminium parts like the outer casing, and aluminium is already one of the most recyclable components of a phone anyway. So there's really no point.
- paul7986 8y agoSame here... iPhone X/XS/XR (bought & returned one of those in Sept.) are just too big i can not one hand text, surf, etc with any of those form factors or bigger. I hope their future models offer iPhone 6/7/8 or smaller form factors with Touch ID! Also, bring back the audio jack ... buying $180 airpods is ridiculous as previously i could buy $10 wired headset and listen privately. Removing the audio jack seems all to me about raking in cash(selling airpods) vs. providing customers with the best UX(making me buy crazy expensive airpods is not a good user/customer experience!).
- diogenescynic 8y agoAlso bring back the home button... I don’t like the face unlock and gestures. I’ll give up the screen real estate for the functionality.
- rayiner 8y agoSo after much griping about the notch, glass back, lack of headphone jack, lack of home button, and lack of Touch ID, the wife and I just bought iPhone XRs. And you know what? They’re great. Air Pods are transformational—you don’t realize how annoying the cords are until they’re gone. And quality and range are phenomenal. It’s a UX win for consumers as well as a revenue win for Apple. The swipe gestures aren’t discoverable at all. But I noticed my 60-year-old aunt fluently using them, so I think the little tutorial they do in the Apple store when you buy one is effective.
- writepub 8y ago> so I think the little tutorial they do in the Apple store when you buy one is effective Steve Jobs said : “Any product that needs a manual to work is broken.” Does a full blown hand-held tutorial form an Apple employee at the store count as a manual?
- wyattpeak 8y agoWhile I agree that Apple interfaces have been straying deeply into "undiscoverable" territory of late (the two touch pressures... eugh), Jobs' comment is a quip that even Apple has never lived up to. You simply can't build advanced electronics without explaining to users how they work. Just try sitting somebody who's never used a computer in front of a Mac and see what happens.
- mandeepj 8y agoit's "out of stock" now. Not sure, a lot of HNers have placed a ton of orders in the past few hours
- PascLeRasc 8y agoI just went from an SE to an iPhone 8 and it feels like a downgrade in overall usability and design. The flat edges of the SE were so much nicer-feeling and easier to hold, and I never had an issue with the screen size. All I'd like is a slightly better camera in the SE, everything else is perfect IMO.
- mrzool 8y agoI stopped considering my iPhone SE a “small phone” and I started considering it for what it actually is: a “just right” phone. Ergonomically speaking, 4 inches is the right size for a device that is meant to be operated by a human hand. Phones bigger that that are grossly oversized and anti-ergonomic. That’s just common sense (cit. Apple): https://youtu.be/O99m7lebirE https://youtu.be/O99m7lebirE
- tqkxzugoaupvwqr 8y agoApple introduced one-hand mode a long time ago for its bigger models which I find helps somewhat. But what I sometimes miss is a mode to permanently resize the displayed screen area to a smaller area. With the iPhone’s current mode, the screen is only lowered so the top buttons can be reached, but the lower half is moved off-screen, and the mode is limited to a few interactions after which the displayed screen is moved up again. What I miss is a mode to permanently resize the displayed screen area to a smaller one so my thumb can reach every point. I hear some Android phones have this. Would be nice to have. Even better if I can adjust the screen area’s size to fit the length of my thumb. And when I want fullscreen again, I switch to fullscreen mode.
- Nullabillity 8y agoYou can do this on Android with One-Handed Mode[1]. However, personally I prefer Reachability Cursor[2] instead, which lets you temporarily shift your finger with a gesture. [1]: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.xda.onehandedmode https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.xda.onehan... [2]: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.niftyui.reachability https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.niftyui.re...
- Schwolop 8y agoBwaaaahahahaha! I've only just now realized that's an intended feature, not a bug. I'd been wondering for close to a year now why they'd not fixed it yet, since it happened so often for me. I think that's the nail in the coffin for me; the screens are just too damn big.
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- gigatexal 8y agoYep. The best looking phone they ever made was the stainless steel iPhone 4s (and I own an iPhone X). Give me something like that (even an SE) but with an oled screen and such.
- andrepd 8y agoThen consider a xperia compact.