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You might be interested in the concept of "Defense in depth": https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defense_in_depth_(computing) https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defen

You might be interested in the concept of "Defense in depth": https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defense_in_depth_(computing) https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defense_in_depth_(computing). If the effort is minimal to migrate from HTTP to HTTPS, there's no reason to not do it and to fix the validation. In fact, if the HTTPS change is faster, this should be prioritized, given that the other issue might take a lot of time to fix: the old validation mechanism will have to be supported for a long time to keep older clients backwards compatible... I'd take that the VLC guy had a bad day, otherwise that'd be a terrible reaction from someone involved in computer security.

NicoJuicy 8y ago
We just read what is posted in the bug report. We have no knowledge of "technical debt" or technical issues migrating from http to https. Videolan has 5 applications, perhaps all of them use the same update mechanism, which would broathen the scope of the fix. What seems trivial (i agree), isn't always that in the software world. We need business knowledge of the VLC source or architecture for having a clear decision. For what it's worth. I'll give the VLC developers the benefit of the doubt.
- BTeam 8y ago
  They have a network of voluntary mirrors using very different stacks that give them storage and bandwidth for free. Similar to Debian's APT [0]. VideoLAN isn't in a position to enforce it's hosts to serve the files over TLS. However the cryptography of the signature check will be updated in the future. [0] https://whydoesaptnotusehttps.com/ https://whydoesaptnotusehttps.com/
- marsokod 8y ago
  I can see plenty of issues for the users if they just change http to https. All the installs in a professional network where the use of a proxy changes the certificate would have trouble updating. So now it is changing changing http to https and be able to recover the company certificates in some way, in many different environments. So yeah, the change is not trivial and will likely break the setup of millions of users. Downloading over http with a proper signature mechanism can be safe and is much easier for the users. If people have concerns over the way VLC is doing it, they are free to show how this can be broken and offer a fix.
  - nyuszika7h 8y ago
    > All the installs in a professional network where the use of a proxy changes the certificate would have trouble updating. So now it is changing changing http to https and be able to recover the company certificates in some way, in many different environments. Presumably those "professional networks" also use other software that already updates over HTTPS, this is not really VideoLAN's problem in 2019 when we are moving towards HTTPS everywhere.

NicoJuicy 8y ago

We just read what is posted in the bug report. We have no knowledge of "technical debt" or technical issues migrating from http to https. Videolan has 5 applications, perhaps all of them use the same update mechanism, which would broathen the scope of the fix. What seems trivial (i agree), isn't always that in the software world. We need business knowledge of the VLC source or architecture for having a clear decision. For what it's worth. I'll give the VLC developers the benefit of the doubt.

BTeam 8y ago
They have a network of voluntary mirrors using very different stacks that give them storage and bandwidth for free. Similar to Debian's APT [0]. VideoLAN isn't in a position to enforce it's hosts to serve the files over TLS. However the cryptography of the signature check will be updated in the future. [0] https://whydoesaptnotusehttps.com/ https://whydoesaptnotusehttps.com/
marsokod 8y ago
I can see plenty of issues for the users if they just change http to https. All the installs in a professional network where the use of a proxy changes the certificate would have trouble updating. So now it is changing changing http to https and be able to recover the company certificates in some way, in many different environments. So yeah, the change is not trivial and will likely break the setup of millions of users. Downloading over http with a proper signature mechanism can be safe and is much easier for the users. If people have concerns over the way VLC is doing it, they are free to show how this can be broken and offer a fix.
- nyuszika7h 8y ago
  > All the installs in a professional network where the use of a proxy changes the certificate would have trouble updating. So now it is changing changing http to https and be able to recover the company certificates in some way, in many different environments. Presumably those "professional networks" also use other software that already updates over HTTPS, this is not really VideoLAN's problem in 2019 when we are moving towards HTTPS everywhere.