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The crazy thing is when I interact with IBM, it’s mostly older workers. I can’t recall a smart young person going there in decades.

hardwaresofton 8y ago
I thought the same way for a long time but there's some vibrant development happening in Austin from what I hear. They also bought Strongloop[0] a while back, so the developers from aqui-hires have to go somewhere. [0]: https://strongloop.com/ https://strongloop.com/
- mathattack 8y ago
  Do they stay after 2 years? They seem to be in the auditing and shareback business. Probably the right way to return cash to shareholders but not a high growth tech company. (And if the accusations are true, not an ethical one either, though the bar may be low)
  - hardwaresofton 8y ago
    Sorry I only worked in Austin (and not at IBM) -- I have no idea :(. I ran into some IBMers that were young and excited at a JS conference over 3 years ago.
- dunpeal 8y ago
  > They also bought Strongloop[0] a while back, so the developers from aqui-hires have to go somewhere. That would be somewhere else. Strongloop is in SV, there's no shortage of opportunity for the devs who worked there. Unless they got some serious golden handcuffs, in which case I'm sure some will stay for the 3-5 years these last.
  - hardwaresofton 8y ago
    Ah I didn't mean to imply that Strongloop was in Austin -- didn't know that Strongloop was in SV though, but I guess that makes sense. I would think IBM has excellent golden handcuffs, not to speak of prestige and interesting problems. Like other big companies, it just depends on your distance from the C-levels and which team you get to be on -- do you get to do the interesting work or the boring work.
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rjf72 8y ago
One benchmark IBM recently passed is that it's now become a primarily Indian company in terms of overall workforce [1]. What this makes me wonder is how the distribution of roles works out. In other words when they fire older e.g. American workers are they then replacing these with younger American workers, or are the jobs just all gradually drifting to developing markets where they generally would be able to hire a dozen workers for the cost a single fresh graduate from America. Seriously on that last statement. Here [2] are the glass doors for IBM India. An "Applications Developer" at IBM India averages 404,000 rupees per year. That's $5,672 per year. "Software Engineers" hit $8,432 a year. [1] - https://www.nytimes.com/2017/09/28/technology/ibm-india.html https://www.nytimes.com/2017/09/28/technology/ibm-india.html [2] - https://www.glassdoor.com/Salary/IBM-India-Salaries-EI_IE354.0,3_IL.4,9_IN115.htm https://www.glassdoor.com/Salary/IBM-India-Salaries-EI_IE354...
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hardwaresofton 8y ago

I thought the same way for a long time but there's some vibrant development happening in Austin from what I hear. They also bought Strongloop[0] a while back, so the developers from aqui-hires have to go somewhere. [0]: https://strongloop.com/ https://strongloop.com/

mathattack 8y ago
Do they stay after 2 years? They seem to be in the auditing and shareback business. Probably the right way to return cash to shareholders but not a high growth tech company. (And if the accusations are true, not an ethical one either, though the bar may be low)
- hardwaresofton 8y ago
  Sorry I only worked in Austin (and not at IBM) -- I have no idea :(. I ran into some IBMers that were young and excited at a JS conference over 3 years ago.
dunpeal 8y ago
> They also bought Strongloop[0] a while back, so the developers from aqui-hires have to go somewhere. That would be somewhere else. Strongloop is in SV, there's no shortage of opportunity for the devs who worked there. Unless they got some serious golden handcuffs, in which case I'm sure some will stay for the 3-5 years these last.
- hardwaresofton 8y ago
  Ah I didn't mean to imply that Strongloop was in Austin -- didn't know that Strongloop was in SV though, but I guess that makes sense. I would think IBM has excellent golden handcuffs, not to speak of prestige and interesting problems. Like other big companies, it just depends on your distance from the C-levels and which team you get to be on -- do you get to do the interesting work or the boring work.
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rjf72 8y ago

One benchmark IBM recently passed is that it's now become a primarily Indian company in terms of overall workforce [1]. What this makes me wonder is how the distribution of roles works out. In other words when they fire older e.g. American workers are they then replacing these with younger American workers, or are the jobs just all gradually drifting to developing markets where they generally would be able to hire a dozen workers for the cost a single fresh graduate from America. Seriously on that last statement. Here [2] are the glass doors for IBM India. An "Applications Developer" at IBM India averages 404,000 rupees per year. That's $5,672 per year. "Software Engineers" hit $8,432 a year. [1] - https://www.nytimes.com/2017/09/28/technology/ibm-india.html https://www.nytimes.com/2017/09/28/technology/ibm-india.html [2] - https://www.glassdoor.com/Salary/IBM-India-Salaries-EI_IE354.0,3_IL.4,9_IN115.htm https://www.glassdoor.com/Salary/IBM-India-Salaries-EI_IE354...

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