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The same issue works the opposite direction. If you're so sure she discrimination is harmful to the companies doing it, why do you have a problem with them bia

The same issue works the opposite direction. If you're so sure she discrimination is harmful to the companies doing it, why do you have a problem with them biasing themselves out of business?

ajross 8y ago
...because I'm more concerned with the welfare of the employees fired than I am with the abstract darwinian fitness of their employers? I mean, it's not abstract: I'm in that demographic. And while my job seems stable right now, I'd like not to be fired because I'm 47, thank you very much.
- Consultant32452 8y ago
  What are you willing to give up in exchange? If the employer can't end the relationship because they got a better offer, are you willing to offer the same in return? If you get better hours and more money, can we decide you're not allowed to take that offer?
  - eropple 8y ago
    Uh. No? The people working at a business matter more than that business. This just is not that hard to noodle out.
    - mnglkhn2 8y ago
      Uhh, get with program, young lad, the shareholders matter more and not you, the employee. Unless it is a company owned by its employees. So maybe this is one of the answers: coops competing in the market.
    - mnglkhn21 8y ago
      Uhh, get with program, young lad, the shareholders matter more and not you, the employee. Unless it is a company owned by its employees. So maybe this is one of the answers: coops competing in the market.
    - Consultant32452 8y ago
      It's confusing to me that you want to subsidize a relatively wealthy demographic at the expense of the young and relatively poor.
  - ajross 8y ago
    My salary is renegotiated every year. If my employer truly thinks they can get a better offer they can reduce my salary to whatever they think my market rate is. Obviously they don't, because that kind of strategy is, well, completely batshit if you want to run a successful business. Yet you're saying that the same thing is just fine if the business waits for a "lay-off" and then preferentially fires me for reasons having nothing to do with performance?
    - Consultant32452 8y ago
      I'm saying either of you should be able to terminate the relationship at any moment for any reason. You can discriminate in any way towards your employer if you're racist, sexist, ageist, etc. These kinds of policies subsidize relatively wealthy, disproportionately white workers at the expense of poorer and increasingly minority workers.

The same issue works the opposite direction. If you're so sure she discrimination is harmful to the companies doing it, why do you have a problem with them biasing themselves out of business?

ajross 8y ago

...because I'm more concerned with the welfare of the employees fired than I am with the abstract darwinian fitness of their employers? I mean, it's not abstract: I'm in that demographic. And while my job seems stable right now, I'd like not to be fired because I'm 47, thank you very much.

Consultant32452 8y ago
What are you willing to give up in exchange? If the employer can't end the relationship because they got a better offer, are you willing to offer the same in return? If you get better hours and more money, can we decide you're not allowed to take that offer?
- eropple 8y ago
  Uh. No? The people working at a business matter more than that business. This just is not that hard to noodle out.
  - mnglkhn2 8y ago
    Uhh, get with program, young lad, the shareholders matter more and not you, the employee. Unless it is a company owned by its employees. So maybe this is one of the answers: coops competing in the market.
  - mnglkhn21 8y ago
    Uhh, get with program, young lad, the shareholders matter more and not you, the employee. Unless it is a company owned by its employees. So maybe this is one of the answers: coops competing in the market.
  - Consultant32452 8y ago
    It's confusing to me that you want to subsidize a relatively wealthy demographic at the expense of the young and relatively poor.
- ajross 8y ago
  My salary is renegotiated every year. If my employer truly thinks they can get a better offer they can reduce my salary to whatever they think my market rate is. Obviously they don't, because that kind of strategy is, well, completely batshit if you want to run a successful business. Yet you're saying that the same thing is just fine if the business waits for a "lay-off" and then preferentially fires me for reasons having nothing to do with performance?
  - Consultant32452 8y ago
    I'm saying either of you should be able to terminate the relationship at any moment for any reason. You can discriminate in any way towards your employer if you're racist, sexist, ageist, etc. These kinds of policies subsidize relatively wealthy, disproportionately white workers at the expense of poorer and increasingly minority workers.