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Cards: https://www.bunniestudios.com/blog/?page_id=3592 https://www.bunniestudios.com/blog/?page_id=3592

mehrdadn 8y ago
Wow. I wonder if my mental image of an RTOS on the devices is correct? I would've imagined there's some sort of firmware inside any device that communicates with a host, but when I hear RTOS I think of something fairly generic that would be deployed across a range of device types (like a Linux system but real time) rather than specialized firmware... is that accurate?
- dogma1138 8y ago
  Embedded micro controllers are very common these days in a wide range of ICs most of them aren’t disclosed or accessible to their users their sole role is to abstract the physical IC and present what the customer expects this can be things like timers, flash memory or even microcontrollers themselves as well as more complex ICs that need to ensure some defined PHY like network or serial controllers.
  - mehrdadn 8y ago
    That's what I expected but it sounds like these are specifically not that?
    - dogma1138 8y ago
      Which ones? The ones on SD cards are there for one reason only and that is to provide the hardware abstraction and PHY compatibility to allow SD cards to be manufactured more cheaply. I haven’t seen any evidence that any of these MC does anything beyond that.
- pjc50 8y ago
  For the Wifi device mentioned in the original article, they dissasembled the firmware and found out that it uses "ThreadX": https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ThreadX https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ThreadX > "hreadX provides priority-based, preemptive scheduling, fast interrupt response, memory management, interthread communication, mutual exclusion, event notification, and thread synchronization features. Major distinguishing technology characteristics of ThreadX include preemption-threshold, priority inheritance, efficient timer management, picokernel design, event-chaining, fast software timers, and compact size. The minimal footprint of ThreadX on an ARM processor is on the order of 2KB" ie it's generic code that gets built into a unikernel-style image with the device-specific code that actually implements the various tasks required of a wifi controller.

Wow. I wonder if my mental image of an RTOS on the devices is correct? I would've imagined there's some sort of firmware inside any device that communicates with a host, but when I hear RTOS I think of something fairly generic that would be deployed across a range of device types (like a Linux system but real time) rather than specialized firmware... is that accurate?

dogma1138 8y ago
Embedded micro controllers are very common these days in a wide range of ICs most of them aren’t disclosed or accessible to their users their sole role is to abstract the physical IC and present what the customer expects this can be things like timers, flash memory or even microcontrollers themselves as well as more complex ICs that need to ensure some defined PHY like network or serial controllers.
- mehrdadn 8y ago
  That's what I expected but it sounds like these are specifically not that?
  - dogma1138 8y ago
    Which ones? The ones on SD cards are there for one reason only and that is to provide the hardware abstraction and PHY compatibility to allow SD cards to be manufactured more cheaply. I haven’t seen any evidence that any of these MC does anything beyond that.
pjc50 8y ago
For the Wifi device mentioned in the original article, they dissasembled the firmware and found out that it uses "ThreadX": https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ThreadX https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ThreadX > "hreadX provides priority-based, preemptive scheduling, fast interrupt response, memory management, interthread communication, mutual exclusion, event notification, and thread synchronization features. Major distinguishing technology characteristics of ThreadX include preemption-threshold, priority inheritance, efficient timer management, picokernel design, event-chaining, fast software timers, and compact size. The minimal footprint of ThreadX on an ARM processor is on the order of 2KB" ie it's generic code that gets built into a unikernel-style image with the device-specific code that actually implements the various tasks required of a wifi controller.