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It’s blatant sex discrimination.
by empath75 8y ago
It’s blatant sex discrimination.
- DoreenMichele 8y agoSo are many legal definitions of rape. Many legal definitions of rape are framed such that rape is a crime only a man can commit and only a woman can be victimized by. I've already allowed as how it isn't fair. Is there some greater point here?
- vidarh 8y agoThe difference is that you're presumably not excusing those legal definitions, but you come across as trying to excuse and justify this discrimination when you write: > I'm just saying they may have valid reasons for the policy without any caveat about how this policy was applied only to women. I don't know if it was your intent to come across that way or not, but that is how I read it.
- DoreenMichele 8y agoThe title of the piece is "The night I was mistaken for a call girl." It's basically a click bait title. She may not have been mistaken for a call girl. She may have simply been caught by a policy designed to address the issue, however ham-handedly. The conclusion that she was actually mistaken for a call girl seems shaky. I did give a proviso that I wasn't saying it was fair. So I don't know where you are getting this idea that I'm justifying sexism.
- vidarh 8y agoI was not responding to the title. I was responding to your question as to whether the person replying to you by pointing out it is blatant sex discrimination had some greater point. That she was "simply been caught by a policy designed to address the issue" is pretty clear. The issue is that this policy is discriminatory. And in a way that would fall foul of sex discrimination laws a whole lot of places. > So I don't know where you are getting this idea that I'm justifying sexism. You suggested they may have valid reasons for a discriminatory policy. To me that reads like a pretty clear cut justification. If you don't think that's a valid reason for discriminating after all, then my apologies.
- DoreenMichele 8y agoNo, I suggested they may have valid reasons to want to crack down an a specific type of criminal activity occurring on their premises. In this case, sex work. Sex work happens to typically be done by women more than men. I've never been to a restaurant that didn't have a sign posted saying "We reserve the right to refuse service." Given that general policy, they may have been cutting her slack to let her eat there. While homeless, I spent a lot of time in public spaces. Most of them have policies that pets are not allowed, but service animals are. Most homeless people with pets claimed they were service animals. Establishments were generally legally barred from asking for proof. No policy is foolproof. There will always be exceptions to any rule and they routinely complain loudly about it, often while not having either sympathy for the very real problems involved nor a better solution. That doesn't mean I'm justifying sexism. I'm a writer. I was primarily critiquing the click bait title, insufficient evidence that they actually believed her to be a call girl and poor construction of the piece. But I'll drop it. It's late. I'm tired. Whatever.
- empath75 8y agoIf they similarly banned single black men from eating at the bar alone would you have the same position?
- manquer 8y agoNot surprised you are down-voted, there is very little if any sensitivity to sexual harassment or crimes against men.
- DoreenMichele 8y agoI also failed to state up front "I happen to be a woman." A lot of people here know that, but it's a big forum and mostly male. People routinely assume I must be male, and thus a misogynistic sexist pig, if I say anything pro male on such subjects. Sometimes, I prefave it to try to avoid that. Sometimes, I don't. This time, I didn't. (shrug)
- throwaway-hn123 8y agoBelieve me, everyone knows. Everyone knows what a tough life you've had, how people on HN aren't fair because they don't give you work, etc etc etc etc yawns
- manquer 8y agoI already knew that from earlier your comment below . It does not and should never matter what your gender is, the points you talked stand on their own right.