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Really? I'm trying it now and finding it tremendously challenging to eat adequate calories without either grains or lots and lots of meat. Vegetables are so ca

by koboll 8y ago

Really? I'm trying it now and finding it tremendously challenging to eat adequate calories without either grains or lots and lots of meat. Vegetables are so calorie-poor and expensive that they're untenable, so you better love beans and lentils, because that's the vast majority of what you'll be consuming.

timbit42 8y ago
Beans and lentils aren't low carb.
- masonic 8y ago
  They're low carb by plant standards.
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crazygringo 8y ago
The answer is fat -- the majority of your calories necessarily come from either carbs or fats (protein is pretty constant for most people). So if you cut way down on carbs, gotta go up on the fats, that's just how it works: I eat lots of cheese, full-fat strained ("greek") yogurt, tons of eggs, nuts and peanut butter, tons of olive oil on my salad and vegetables, lots of butter in my scrambled eggs, obviously avocados if you can afford them. Since fat makes things delicious, it's really pretty easy. If you're non-dairy or vegan then you don't get as much variety, of course.
- paavoova 8y ago
  > vegan then you don't get as much variety I simply fail to see how it's possible to eat vegan low-carb. Everything vegan, be it legumes, vegetables, or fruits, have carbs. Legumes are 2/3 carbs, so they're out of the question. Even nuts, despite their high fat/moderate protein content, have an appreciable amount of carbs. Even peanuts, a low-carb legume, have 21 grams of carbs/100g. Which just leaves processed plant proteins and fats. On top of that, protein gets converted into glucose via gluconeogenesis, so despite eating low-carb your body will be breaking down excess protein into sugar. So to try vegan low-carb is really an impossible fad diet.
  - justtopost 8y ago
    Maybe not all in its natural form of nuts and veggies, but most veggie and nut oils are vegan and full of healthy fats. Yes, drizzle it on everything. Flavor it. It may get tiring, but its easy, vegan, and filling.
  - crazygringo 8y ago
    I think when most people (myself included) refer to cutting out carbs, it's really shorthand for cutting out starches and sugar, or at its most precise, anything with an appreciable glycemic index. So the carbs in nuts and vegetables can be simply ignored, it's fine. Fruit is only in small amounts. And you shouldn't be eating so much protein that it gets converted to sugar. But I totally agree -- I think either you do low-carb or you do vegan, not both. I had a friend who tried to do both, I couldn't understand it either.
  - smartbit 8y ago
    You’re completely correct, Vegan is not low-carb. It is not the intake off carbs that make obese, imho it is the intake of sugars that cause the epidemic obesity. The average glycemic index [0] of a meal determines the effects of carbs, low GI is good and high GI is not good. A meal with large amount or percentage of carbs can be very healthy and not leading to obesity or type 2 diabetes as long as the Glycemic Index is low. And, above all, a Vegan meal can be very tasty and healthy at the same time. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glycemic_index#Grouping https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glycemic_index#Grouping
  - scns 8y ago
    Which is completely fine. Glucose is what your body needs, cells can use it. The other part of Sucrose is Fructose. The boby has no use for it, can only can only convert it in the liver to fat same with ethanol. There are hypotheses that cancer cells use fructose for energy.
    - masonic 8y ago
      There are hypotheses that cancer cells use fructose for energy Does fructose even reach the bloodstream?

by koboll 8y ago

timbit42 8y ago

Beans and lentils aren't low carb.

masonic 8y ago
They're low carb by plant standards.

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crazygringo 8y ago

The answer is fat -- the majority of your calories necessarily come from either carbs or fats (protein is pretty constant for most people). So if you cut way down on carbs, gotta go up on the fats, that's just how it works: I eat lots of cheese, full-fat strained ("greek") yogurt, tons of eggs, nuts and peanut butter, tons of olive oil on my salad and vegetables, lots of butter in my scrambled eggs, obviously avocados if you can afford them. Since fat makes things delicious, it's really pretty easy. If you're non-dairy or vegan then you don't get as much variety, of course.

paavoova 8y ago
> vegan then you don't get as much variety I simply fail to see how it's possible to eat vegan low-carb. Everything vegan, be it legumes, vegetables, or fruits, have carbs. Legumes are 2/3 carbs, so they're out of the question. Even nuts, despite their high fat/moderate protein content, have an appreciable amount of carbs. Even peanuts, a low-carb legume, have 21 grams of carbs/100g. Which just leaves processed plant proteins and fats. On top of that, protein gets converted into glucose via gluconeogenesis, so despite eating low-carb your body will be breaking down excess protein into sugar. So to try vegan low-carb is really an impossible fad diet.
- justtopost 8y ago
  Maybe not all in its natural form of nuts and veggies, but most veggie and nut oils are vegan and full of healthy fats. Yes, drizzle it on everything. Flavor it. It may get tiring, but its easy, vegan, and filling.
- crazygringo 8y ago
  I think when most people (myself included) refer to cutting out carbs, it's really shorthand for cutting out starches and sugar, or at its most precise, anything with an appreciable glycemic index. So the carbs in nuts and vegetables can be simply ignored, it's fine. Fruit is only in small amounts. And you shouldn't be eating so much protein that it gets converted to sugar. But I totally agree -- I think either you do low-carb or you do vegan, not both. I had a friend who tried to do both, I couldn't understand it either.
- smartbit 8y ago
  You’re completely correct, Vegan is not low-carb. It is not the intake off carbs that make obese, imho it is the intake of sugars that cause the epidemic obesity. The average glycemic index [0] of a meal determines the effects of carbs, low GI is good and high GI is not good. A meal with large amount or percentage of carbs can be very healthy and not leading to obesity or type 2 diabetes as long as the Glycemic Index is low. And, above all, a Vegan meal can be very tasty and healthy at the same time. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glycemic_index#Grouping https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glycemic_index#Grouping
- scns 8y ago
  Which is completely fine. Glucose is what your body needs, cells can use it. The other part of Sucrose is Fructose. The boby has no use for it, can only can only convert it in the liver to fat same with ethanol. There are hypotheses that cancer cells use fructose for energy.
  - masonic 8y ago
    There are hypotheses that cancer cells use fructose for energy Does fructose even reach the bloodstream?