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> As for safe and organic feed, I'm all for "safe" feed, but assigning "organic = safe" is disingenuous. Like it or not (because the studies are not conclusive

by mbesto 8y ago

> As for safe and organic feed, I'm all for "safe" feed, but assigning "organic = safe" is disingenuous. Like it or not (because the studies are not conclusive), but GMO is the only current way we know how to scale food production.

colordrops 8y ago
> GMO is the only current way we know how to scale food production. That can't be true. Do you have a source?
- mbesto 8y ago
  It can't be true because you can't fathom it or because you have evidence of other widely supported organic techniques that I'm unfamiliar with? I mean sure, there is a ton of innovation in the food production supply chain, but nothing quite like what GM has done for agriculture production. Why do you think GMO was established in the first place? If purely organic food is both superior quality and more economically sustainable, then historically speaking why didn't farmers just continue on that path to meet consumer demand?
  - Ensorceled 8y ago
    This is a great comment. The number of acquaintances claiming organic “is also cheaper” drives me crazy.
  - colordrops 8y ago
    > I mean sure, there is a ton of innovation in the food production supply chain, but nothing quite like GM You refuted your own claim. You originally said GMOs are the only way to scale, not the best way to scale. Also, I said nothing about organic food. It's not either organic or GMO, there are other options, and in fact they are they majority.
    - mbesto 8y ago
      > You originally said GMOs are the only way to scale, not the best way to scale. Ok, fair enough, I should have been more specific. Let me rephrase my whole point of view: "The innovation of GMO is largely responsible for the large scale production of the global food supply. I would very surprised if any other innovation in farming has created a higher ROI in terms of crop yield. There are certainly other factors, but to the original parent comment, pretending like organic is synonymous with safe (and equally as it implies non-organic means, or GMO, is not safe) is disingenuous". > It's not either organic or GMO, there are other options Like what specifically? Fertilizers and pesticides?
      - colordrops 8y ago
        Agree that the GMO vs organic characterization was not fair. But I wasn't addressing that topic, but rather the comment that that GMOs are our only option.

by mbesto 8y ago

colordrops 8y ago

> GMO is the only current way we know how to scale food production. That can't be true. Do you have a source?

mbesto 8y ago
It can't be true because you can't fathom it or because you have evidence of other widely supported organic techniques that I'm unfamiliar with? I mean sure, there is a ton of innovation in the food production supply chain, but nothing quite like what GM has done for agriculture production. Why do you think GMO was established in the first place? If purely organic food is both superior quality and more economically sustainable, then historically speaking why didn't farmers just continue on that path to meet consumer demand?
- Ensorceled 8y ago
  This is a great comment. The number of acquaintances claiming organic “is also cheaper” drives me crazy.
- colordrops 8y ago
  > I mean sure, there is a ton of innovation in the food production supply chain, but nothing quite like GM You refuted your own claim. You originally said GMOs are the only way to scale, not the best way to scale. Also, I said nothing about organic food. It's not either organic or GMO, there are other options, and in fact they are they majority.
  - mbesto 8y ago
    > You originally said GMOs are the only way to scale, not the best way to scale. Ok, fair enough, I should have been more specific. Let me rephrase my whole point of view: "The innovation of GMO is largely responsible for the large scale production of the global food supply. I would very surprised if any other innovation in farming has created a higher ROI in terms of crop yield. There are certainly other factors, but to the original parent comment, pretending like organic is synonymous with safe (and equally as it implies non-organic means, or GMO, is not safe) is disingenuous". > It's not either organic or GMO, there are other options Like what specifically? Fertilizers and pesticides?
    - colordrops 8y ago
      Agree that the GMO vs organic characterization was not fair. But I wasn't addressing that topic, but rather the comment that that GMOs are our only option.