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I disagree entirely. Being a young white male with some moderately conservative ideals in [West coast city] makes you entirely unlikable by most people who find

by dgzl 8y ago

I disagree entirely. Being a young white male with some moderately conservative ideals in [West coast city] makes you entirely unlikable by most people who find out. This is my first hand experience. Being conservative is the new taboo.

nl 8y ago
In Russia you can get to prison for being gay. In West Coast US a few people might refuse to date you. These don't seem like the same thing.
- jlborxes 8y ago
  https://www.google.com/search?q=moscow+gay+club https://www.google.com/search?q=moscow+gay+club
  - nl 8y ago
    You can also Google for prostitution services in places in the US where they are illegal. Pretty sure I don't need to link to the California Republican Party website.
    - jlborxes 8y ago
      I posted the link hoping to convince you that your claim is inconsistent with the existence of huge multi-storey gay clubs in the center of Moscow. Guess I was wrong.
smt88 8y ago
I don't doubt that such people experience friction, but the comment I was responding to made an analogy between being conservative in the US and being gay in Russia. The former group is the ruling class in the US. The latter group is criminalized, shamed, and sometimes murdered. Further, being gay can't harm someone else, while being conservative in a (theoretical) democracy certainly can hurt people.
- dgzl 8y ago
  Are you trying to make the claim that, since one instance of discrimination is worse than the other, then we shouldn't try to discuss and explore other controversial examples of the discrimination, simply because they're not as bad? Even if they are more relevant to us, the commenters? I didn't see the parent claiming that their version of bigotry was worse/equal to grandparent's version, that's something you falsely assumed.
  - nl 8y ago
    Interestingly, the GP is making that exact claim: that being conservative in SV is the equivalent of being gay in Moscow. > Are you suggesting that being conservative in the United States is somehow equivalent to being gay in Russia? >> Yep. Assuming you live in SV, would you like to disprove me by putting a TRUMP 2020 sign on your lawn?[1] [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18944526 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18944526

by dgzl 8y ago

nl 8y ago

In Russia you can get to prison for being gay. In West Coast US a few people might refuse to date you. These don't seem like the same thing.

jlborxes 8y ago
https://www.google.com/search?q=moscow+gay+club https://www.google.com/search?q=moscow+gay+club
- nl 8y ago
  You can also Google for prostitution services in places in the US where they are illegal. Pretty sure I don't need to link to the California Republican Party website.
  - jlborxes 8y ago
    I posted the link hoping to convince you that your claim is inconsistent with the existence of huge multi-storey gay clubs in the center of Moscow. Guess I was wrong.

smt88 8y ago

I don't doubt that such people experience friction, but the comment I was responding to made an analogy between being conservative in the US and being gay in Russia. The former group is the ruling class in the US. The latter group is criminalized, shamed, and sometimes murdered. Further, being gay can't harm someone else, while being conservative in a (theoretical) democracy certainly can hurt people.

dgzl 8y ago
Are you trying to make the claim that, since one instance of discrimination is worse than the other, then we shouldn't try to discuss and explore other controversial examples of the discrimination, simply because they're not as bad? Even if they are more relevant to us, the commenters? I didn't see the parent claiming that their version of bigotry was worse/equal to grandparent's version, that's something you falsely assumed.
- nl 8y ago
  Interestingly, the GP is making that exact claim: that being conservative in SV is the equivalent of being gay in Moscow. > Are you suggesting that being conservative in the United States is somehow equivalent to being gay in Russia? >> Yep. Assuming you live in SV, would you like to disprove me by putting a TRUMP 2020 sign on your lawn?[1] [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18944526 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18944526