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Soliciting upvotes and booster comments like this is the fastest way to get your domain and accounts banned.

by sctb 8y ago

eXpl0it3r 8y ago
Btw why are the points about asking for votes or comments not part of the guidelines but only part of the FAQ? The usual understanding for me is that guidelines should be read and followed, while FAQ provide additional information on topics that are asked a lot (password reset, what does XYZ mean, etc).
- omnimus 8y ago
  Honestly i don't know what you are talking about. There are many products that launch on hacker news.
  - eXpl0it3r 8y ago
    sctb is a moderator (kind of annoying that you have to google that) [1] and given their statement it indicates that "soliciting upvotes and booster comments" is disallowed/discouraged. Yet, that information is not part of the official HN guidelines [2] but is merely mentioned in the HN FAQ [3]. My point being, if telling your users about the HN post you created is disallowed, then why is it not part of the guidelines and merely hidden among the FAQ? Like I said, guidelines are to be read and followed, but I wouldn't expect from people to read the FAQ to find all the 'rules'. [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12073675 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12073675 [2] https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html [3] https://news.ycombinator.com/newsfaq.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsfaq.html
    - omnimus 8y ago
      Oh i understand now. Well it is obvious people don't understand it works like that. From outside it seems that it is perfectly normal to share products and updates HN. It seems to happen all the time often with authors or employees in the comments. So what is prohibited is to share the direct link?
      - dang 8y ago
        Obviously submitting links to one's own work isn't prohibited. It's encouraged! What's not allowed are asking friends or teammates to upvote and/or post booster comments in the thread. Those are forms of gaming the system which the community here is not ok with. People should upvote or comment on things that they personally ran across and found intellectually interesting, not because they or a friend have something to promote.
        bastianallgeier 8y ago
        I posted this on Twitter and of course kindly asked our followers to upvote it if they like the new version. This is something I see on Twitter every day and I really wasn’t aware that it is not allowed to do. https://twitter.com/getkirby/status/1085873516132605952?s=20 https://twitter.com/getkirby/status/1085873516132605952?s=20
        bastianallgeier 8y ago
        You can also do a search for getkirby on Twitter: https://mobile.twitter.com/search?q=Getkirby https://mobile.twitter.com/search?q=Getkirby to see that we got quite a few very positive reactions to the launch there as well.
omnimus 8y ago
Or maybe it is good product people use. Just MAYBE.
mrunkel 8y ago
I’m afraid I don’t understand what exactly was/is the problem? As I said in my comment, we love Kirby, I saw this post, and commented. Isn’t that how this is supposed to work?
- detaro 8y ago
  There's 5 or so commenters that newly signed up just to comment on this story (new accounts appear in green, so it's easy to spot). That looks fairly suspiciously like they did that because the author asked people to sign up and boost this story, not because they happened to browse hackernews and saw something they like. You're case is not the problem.
  - marcomezzavilla 8y ago
    I am one of the new members, although I visit HN almost daily. I am a very satisfied Kirby user, so instead of doing the "lurker" as usual, I decided to share my thoughts (:
oldinosor 8y ago
Bastian is not a friend of mine. We have never met together. We have never spoken together. We have perhaps only exchanged some words by written in the last five years. And I have only spent something like 30 dollars with his company in the last five years. When I saw he was happy to be there, I decided by myself to share my opinion about Kirby3 here. I tried to be as honest as possible not waiting any reward of any sort. I was not thanked for my contribution here by Bastian or someone from his team. I am now 58 and I write code since I was 14, at the time of the first programmable calculators. Usually I don't write comments on this kind of forum because I prefer to invest my time building solutions. I only did this time because I think that Kirby3 and the team behind this solution are worth it. That's all! :-)

Soliciting upvotes and booster comments like this is the fastest way to get your domain and accounts banned.

by sctb 8y ago

Soliciting upvotes and booster comments like this is the fastest way to get your domain and accounts banned.

Btw why are the points about asking for votes or comments not part of the guidelines but only part of the FAQ? The usual understanding for me is that guidelines should be read and followed, while FAQ provide additional information on topics that are asked a lot (password reset, what does XYZ mean, etc).

omnimus 8y ago
Honestly i don't know what you are talking about. There are many products that launch on hacker news.
- eXpl0it3r 8y ago
  sctb is a moderator (kind of annoying that you have to google that) [1] and given their statement it indicates that "soliciting upvotes and booster comments" is disallowed/discouraged. Yet, that information is not part of the official HN guidelines [2] but is merely mentioned in the HN FAQ [3]. My point being, if telling your users about the HN post you created is disallowed, then why is it not part of the guidelines and merely hidden among the FAQ? Like I said, guidelines are to be read and followed, but I wouldn't expect from people to read the FAQ to find all the 'rules'. [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12073675 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12073675 [2] https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html [3] https://news.ycombinator.com/newsfaq.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsfaq.html
  - omnimus 8y ago
    Oh i understand now. Well it is obvious people don't understand it works like that. From outside it seems that it is perfectly normal to share products and updates HN. It seems to happen all the time often with authors or employees in the comments. So what is prohibited is to share the direct link?
    - dang 8y ago
      Obviously submitting links to one's own work isn't prohibited. It's encouraged! What's not allowed are asking friends or teammates to upvote and/or post booster comments in the thread. Those are forms of gaming the system which the community here is not ok with. People should upvote or comment on things that they personally ran across and found intellectually interesting, not because they or a friend have something to promote.
      - bastianallgeier 8y ago
        I posted this on Twitter and of course kindly asked our followers to upvote it if they like the new version. This is something I see on Twitter every day and I really wasn’t aware that it is not allowed to do. https://twitter.com/getkirby/status/1085873516132605952?s=20 https://twitter.com/getkirby/status/1085873516132605952?s=20
      - bastianallgeier 8y ago
        You can also do a search for getkirby on Twitter: https://mobile.twitter.com/search?q=Getkirby https://mobile.twitter.com/search?q=Getkirby to see that we got quite a few very positive reactions to the launch there as well.

omnimus 8y ago

Or maybe it is good product people use. Just MAYBE.

mrunkel 8y ago

I’m afraid I don’t understand what exactly was/is the problem? As I said in my comment, we love Kirby, I saw this post, and commented. Isn’t that how this is supposed to work?

detaro 8y ago
There's 5 or so commenters that newly signed up just to comment on this story (new accounts appear in green, so it's easy to spot). That looks fairly suspiciously like they did that because the author asked people to sign up and boost this story, not because they happened to browse hackernews and saw something they like. You're case is not the problem.
- marcomezzavilla 8y ago
  I am one of the new members, although I visit HN almost daily. I am a very satisfied Kirby user, so instead of doing the "lurker" as usual, I decided to share my thoughts (:

oldinosor 8y ago

Bastian is not a friend of mine. We have never met together. We have never spoken together. We have perhaps only exchanged some words by written in the last five years. And I have only spent something like 30 dollars with his company in the last five years. When I saw he was happy to be there, I decided by myself to share my opinion about Kirby3 here. I tried to be as honest as possible not waiting any reward of any sort. I was not thanked for my contribution here by Bastian or someone from his team. I am now 58 and I write code since I was 14, at the time of the first programmable calculators. Usually I don't write comments on this kind of forum because I prefer to invest my time building solutions. I only did this time because I think that Kirby3 and the team behind this solution are worth it. That's all! :-)