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I think there's quite a few Cubans who would disagree with your assessment.

by tdfx 8y ago

zjaffee 8y ago
And there are tons of people in capitalist countries who disagree with what goes on there too.
- henvic 8y ago
  Sure. First world commies like yourself who have no idea how sad and bad it is to live without access to goods or pay 3 times more for a similar item, while earning about 5-20 times less than what they could get in a developed country. Source: senior software engineer with ten years experience living in a socialist third world country receiving the same (actually, way less) a Subway sandwich artist would make in the USA in his first week and trying desperately to get out of here.
  - brbrodude 8y ago
    Do you care about people without access to goods in capitalist countries? I bet you don't, so just drop this argument. BTW, are you claiming BRAZIL is a socialist country? Good grief. United States currency is the base currency for the world, so yeah, if you're sore that you're don't live in the richest country on earth or of Humanity History then just move there. Don't blame made up stuff. You wouldn't go live in a Panama slum, right? So that's not the matter.
    - henvic 8y ago
      Don't be silly. Just because I said that I could travel to the United States and pay way less on everything it doesn't mean that the US is a role model or the only place possible. Brazil is indeed a socialist country. Heck, just go see what happened in the past 90+ years here and in the rest of the developed world. High tax everywhere, dictatorship, no respect for private property, famine on the poorest areas in the Northeast, inflation, a large amount of state-owned companies and its de facto (by the very nature of itself + subsidies paid by taxation and inflation) or de juri monopoly, policies against importation, etc. Only commies can't see it.
      - brbrodude 8y ago
        You're obviously completely blinded by ideologies so think whatever you want, it doesn't change, at all, the academic and historical definitions of the terms you use as if you knew what they meant. Taxation, state-owned companies, inflation, protectionism, famine, none of these are alien to any other liberal democracy in the entire world, nor of modern history, not even to ancient history, or whatever, in fact they are or have been present in almost every country in the world. As this is just closed-loop thought(e.g.: thing = bad, I label anything I don't like as thing, therefore thing bad, thus I right) and not actually knowledge, or philosophy, or a proper tool to make sense of the world, to me it's worthless, but have fun with it! A friendly warning: you sound like a crazy person. Also recommended: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
  - zjaffee 8y ago
    I'm not a communist by any means, I just dislike that the collective community in liberalized, capitalist first world countries diss socialism in countries that would otherwise have been exploited by their own country without it. The issue here isn't so much that America has bad healthcare, but the fact that Cuba has one of the best medical systems in the entire world while still being a far less developed country. Both capitalist and socialist countries can learn a lot from each other, and it's this diversity of approach that has resulted in the greatest improvements to the living standards of people all over the world.
    - andrenth 8y ago
      > but the fact that Cuba has one of the best medical systems in the entire world This is a lie.
    - henvic 8y ago
      No. There is nothing good to take from socialism. It's all about making stateman rich and the population poorer with disrespect for private property and human beings.
- refurb 8y ago
  That explains the droves of people jumping on homemade boats to sail from Florida to Cuba.
  - zjaffee 8y ago
    There's a similar percentage of people who left cuba that left mexico. A countries wealth has little to do with it being communist or capitalist as much as it does with it's ability to integrate into the broader global economy and develop internal industrial infrastructure.

I think there's quite a few Cubans who would disagree with your assessment.

by tdfx 8y ago

I think there's quite a few Cubans who would disagree with your assessment.

zjaffee 8y ago

And there are tons of people in capitalist countries who disagree with what goes on there too.

henvic 8y ago
Sure. First world commies like yourself who have no idea how sad and bad it is to live without access to goods or pay 3 times more for a similar item, while earning about 5-20 times less than what they could get in a developed country. Source: senior software engineer with ten years experience living in a socialist third world country receiving the same (actually, way less) a Subway sandwich artist would make in the USA in his first week and trying desperately to get out of here.
- brbrodude 8y ago
  Do you care about people without access to goods in capitalist countries? I bet you don't, so just drop this argument. BTW, are you claiming BRAZIL is a socialist country? Good grief. United States currency is the base currency for the world, so yeah, if you're sore that you're don't live in the richest country on earth or of Humanity History then just move there. Don't blame made up stuff. You wouldn't go live in a Panama slum, right? So that's not the matter.
  - henvic 8y ago
    Don't be silly. Just because I said that I could travel to the United States and pay way less on everything it doesn't mean that the US is a role model or the only place possible. Brazil is indeed a socialist country. Heck, just go see what happened in the past 90+ years here and in the rest of the developed world. High tax everywhere, dictatorship, no respect for private property, famine on the poorest areas in the Northeast, inflation, a large amount of state-owned companies and its de facto (by the very nature of itself + subsidies paid by taxation and inflation) or de juri monopoly, policies against importation, etc. Only commies can't see it.
    - brbrodude 8y ago
      You're obviously completely blinded by ideologies so think whatever you want, it doesn't change, at all, the academic and historical definitions of the terms you use as if you knew what they meant. Taxation, state-owned companies, inflation, protectionism, famine, none of these are alien to any other liberal democracy in the entire world, nor of modern history, not even to ancient history, or whatever, in fact they are or have been present in almost every country in the world. As this is just closed-loop thought(e.g.: thing = bad, I label anything I don't like as thing, therefore thing bad, thus I right) and not actually knowledge, or philosophy, or a proper tool to make sense of the world, to me it's worthless, but have fun with it! A friendly warning: you sound like a crazy person. Also recommended: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
- zjaffee 8y ago
  I'm not a communist by any means, I just dislike that the collective community in liberalized, capitalist first world countries diss socialism in countries that would otherwise have been exploited by their own country without it. The issue here isn't so much that America has bad healthcare, but the fact that Cuba has one of the best medical systems in the entire world while still being a far less developed country. Both capitalist and socialist countries can learn a lot from each other, and it's this diversity of approach that has resulted in the greatest improvements to the living standards of people all over the world.
  - andrenth 8y ago
    > but the fact that Cuba has one of the best medical systems in the entire world This is a lie.
  - henvic 8y ago
    No. There is nothing good to take from socialism. It's all about making stateman rich and the population poorer with disrespect for private property and human beings.
refurb 8y ago
That explains the droves of people jumping on homemade boats to sail from Florida to Cuba.
- zjaffee 8y ago
  There's a similar percentage of people who left cuba that left mexico. A countries wealth has little to do with it being communist or capitalist as much as it does with it's ability to integrate into the broader global economy and develop internal industrial infrastructure.