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Perhaps, but DBeaver is free while Datagrid is not, in fact it is rather expensive at $199. For many people, including me perhaps, something like DBeaver is go

by yumraj 8y ago

Perhaps, but DBeaver is free while Datagrid is not, in fact it is rather expensive at $199. For many people, including me perhaps, something like DBeaver is good enough since it's free.

crazysim 8y ago
$90 individual https://www.jetbrains.com/datagrip/buy/#edition=personal https://www.jetbrains.com/datagrip/buy/#edition=personal But you're probably right.
- neosavvy 8y ago
  If you are a student it's free. Also good tools are worth paying for, I have been a subscription user of their tools now for years. I think it's like $199 for a subscription to the whole suite. If you are a dev (or work for someone who expects you to do dev work for pay) it's worthy spending a few of your coins on good tools. I stare at these tools all darn day, and they rarely if ever crash. I don't regret moving away from Eclipse almost a decade ago, which used to devour all my system resources and crash and fail constantly.
  - endorphone 8y ago
    I agree wholeheartedly, and subscribe to the whole suite of JetBrains tools. Absolutely fantastic value.
    - h1d 8y ago
      Their all product pricing is pretty good value. If you need more than 2 of their tools (while using IntelliJ which covers half of their offerings), then you should switch to all products and quickly get to third year discount. I use IntelliJ, AppCode and that already means I should be using all products pack which I'm subscribed to.
  - crumpets 8y ago
    There are tons of tools in the open source world that are incredible and free. The assumption that you have to spend money on tools does not apply to software at all unless you are working in a proprietary ecosystem. What is the paid version of grep/ripgrep that works better?
    - thejosh 8y ago
      >good tools are worth paying for Not ALL tools need to be paid for.
      - pjmlp 8y ago
        Not all WORK needs to be paid for.
        eitland 8y ago
        That is correct. Trivial example: If I say I'll do some work for free the we can assume you don't need to pay for it.
        pjmlp 8y ago
        Just like I should not complain if you decide not to keep doing it, when the need to pay for bills arises or I happened to abuse from your goodwill.
    - pjmlp 8y ago
      Do you expect to be paid for your work or also offer it for free and live from donations?
  - rplnt 8y ago
    That's 2/3 of a minimal monthly salary in Bulgaria. While developers sure make much more than that (unless they are in public sector), it's still nowhere near the $100k/year starting salary you get in the Valley. And that's still EU, you can go further East... When saying something is not expensive (few of your coins), consider that it might be just your situation where it's not expensive.
    - h1d 8y ago
      You don't need $100k / year to spend $10 a month but I see the disparity of income around the globe can mean $10 is heavier than others.
- aedron 8y ago
  It's not the money, it's having to buy it.
tomnipotent 8y ago
> rather expensive at $199 Compared to a six-figure salary? Developers tools are a bargain for what we get out of them.
- meddlepal 8y ago
  Developers are hands down one of the cheapest group of customers to deal with. I've been shelling out for IntelliJ Ultimate for years because I want to support JetBrains. At this point I think I could actually get away with just the open source Community Edition, but it's worth paying them for the effort in my mind.
  - tomnipotent 8y ago
    I love JetBrains, ever since I discovered ReSharper when I was still active in C# some 10 years go. Now I use PyCharm, DataGrip and GoLand on a daily basis and am happy to throw my money at them.
    - h1d 8y ago
      Isn't it becoming cheaper to go with all products pack at that point?
  - nerdponx 8y ago
    Is it common to buy your own tools in other skilled trades (when you aren't a freelancer)? I don't mind buying good software, but it feels weird for me to pay in order to make my employer more money. It's not like the productivity boost I get from buying Datagrip is going to get me a raise or a better job. That said, for software I use in my personal life I can and do pay, and I think we should all be more in the habit of either buying non-trial versions (Sublime, PyCharm) or making small monthly donations (Neovim, iTerm, regex101, QMK, et al).
    - dahdum 8y ago
      Mechanics are often required to buy their own tools. Higher end chefs are expected buy their own knives. Machinists are expected to buy many of their own instruments. It’s not universal but definitely not uncommon.
h1d 8y ago
It's about $8 a month and even lower on subsequent years. But the real power of DataGrip comes by using it in one of their IDE that auto completes table and column names inside code and allows you to shift-click it to get to see the definition and show warning when you specify an unknown field.

by yumraj 8y ago

Perhaps, but DBeaver is free while Datagrid is not, in fact it is rather expensive at $199. For many people, including me perhaps, something like DBeaver is good enough since it's free.

crazysim 8y ago

$90 individual https://www.jetbrains.com/datagrip/buy/#edition=personal https://www.jetbrains.com/datagrip/buy/#edition=personal But you're probably right.

neosavvy 8y ago
If you are a student it's free. Also good tools are worth paying for, I have been a subscription user of their tools now for years. I think it's like $199 for a subscription to the whole suite. If you are a dev (or work for someone who expects you to do dev work for pay) it's worthy spending a few of your coins on good tools. I stare at these tools all darn day, and they rarely if ever crash. I don't regret moving away from Eclipse almost a decade ago, which used to devour all my system resources and crash and fail constantly.
- endorphone 8y ago
  I agree wholeheartedly, and subscribe to the whole suite of JetBrains tools. Absolutely fantastic value.
  - h1d 8y ago
    Their all product pricing is pretty good value. If you need more than 2 of their tools (while using IntelliJ which covers half of their offerings), then you should switch to all products and quickly get to third year discount. I use IntelliJ, AppCode and that already means I should be using all products pack which I'm subscribed to.
- crumpets 8y ago
  There are tons of tools in the open source world that are incredible and free. The assumption that you have to spend money on tools does not apply to software at all unless you are working in a proprietary ecosystem. What is the paid version of grep/ripgrep that works better?
  - thejosh 8y ago
    >good tools are worth paying for Not ALL tools need to be paid for.
    - pjmlp 8y ago
      Not all WORK needs to be paid for.
      - eitland 8y ago
        That is correct. Trivial example: If I say I'll do some work for free the we can assume you don't need to pay for it.
        pjmlp 8y ago
        Just like I should not complain if you decide not to keep doing it, when the need to pay for bills arises or I happened to abuse from your goodwill.
  - pjmlp 8y ago
    Do you expect to be paid for your work or also offer it for free and live from donations?
- rplnt 8y ago
  That's 2/3 of a minimal monthly salary in Bulgaria. While developers sure make much more than that (unless they are in public sector), it's still nowhere near the $100k/year starting salary you get in the Valley. And that's still EU, you can go further East... When saying something is not expensive (few of your coins), consider that it might be just your situation where it's not expensive.
  - h1d 8y ago
    You don't need $100k / year to spend $10 a month but I see the disparity of income around the globe can mean $10 is heavier than others.
aedron 8y ago
It's not the money, it's having to buy it.

tomnipotent 8y ago

> rather expensive at $199 Compared to a six-figure salary? Developers tools are a bargain for what we get out of them.

meddlepal 8y ago
Developers are hands down one of the cheapest group of customers to deal with. I've been shelling out for IntelliJ Ultimate for years because I want to support JetBrains. At this point I think I could actually get away with just the open source Community Edition, but it's worth paying them for the effort in my mind.
- tomnipotent 8y ago
  I love JetBrains, ever since I discovered ReSharper when I was still active in C# some 10 years go. Now I use PyCharm, DataGrip and GoLand on a daily basis and am happy to throw my money at them.
  - h1d 8y ago
    Isn't it becoming cheaper to go with all products pack at that point?
- nerdponx 8y ago
  Is it common to buy your own tools in other skilled trades (when you aren't a freelancer)? I don't mind buying good software, but it feels weird for me to pay in order to make my employer more money. It's not like the productivity boost I get from buying Datagrip is going to get me a raise or a better job. That said, for software I use in my personal life I can and do pay, and I think we should all be more in the habit of either buying non-trial versions (Sublime, PyCharm) or making small monthly donations (Neovim, iTerm, regex101, QMK, et al).
  - dahdum 8y ago
    Mechanics are often required to buy their own tools. Higher end chefs are expected buy their own knives. Machinists are expected to buy many of their own instruments. It’s not universal but definitely not uncommon.

h1d 8y ago

It's about $8 a month and even lower on subsequent years. But the real power of DataGrip comes by using it in one of their IDE that auto completes table and column names inside code and allows you to shift-click it to get to see the definition and show warning when you specify an unknown field.