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Strange, last I checked there isn’t a bill on the President’s desk. The shutdown has now cost more than Trump wanted to spend on border security to begin with.
by zaroth 8y ago
Strange, last I checked there isn’t a bill on the President’s desk. The shutdown has now cost more than Trump wanted to spend on border security to begin with.
If it wasn’t clear that everyone here is just playing politics, it should have been after Nancy’s letter to Donald about the SOTU.
But your last paragraph says it all. If you believe, without any evidence, that the President of the United States is a foreign agent, talk about it on /r/politics please.
- kxrm 8y ago> Strange, last I checked there isn’t a bill on the President’s desk. There isn't a bill on his desk because McConnell won't let it happen because Trump won't sign it. Your reading of this situation is incredibly simplified. Trump by virtue of McConnell is absolutely a big reason why we are in a shutdown.
- int_19h 8y agoThere isn't a bill on president's desk, because the Speaker of the Senate refuses to allow a vote on any bill that the president claims he won't sign (which includes the bill that Senate has passed originally).
- zaroth 8y agoOf course. And what’s stopping Congress from coming together with a compromise bill the President will sign? Last year we had a bipartisan bill with $25 billion in Wall funding and DACA amnesty. Now he’s asking for $5.7 billion and has said he wants to negotiate. There is a long, long prescedent of bipartisan negotiation in these matters. The new Speaker of the House has said she will absolutely not negotiate and claims border walls (which we have in spades already) are immoral and racist. Ok then! Several days ago Donald met with Chuck and Nancy and asked if he signed a CR opening the govt for 30 days, would they take up wall funding and Nancy said No. There’s nothing stopping either “side” from unilaterally taking a simple step to fully open the government. So logically everyone is to blame.
- fzeroracer 8y agoWhat, exactly, was stopping congress from coming together to fund the wall before the democrats came into power? The answer: Absolutely nothing. The reason why they kicked this can down the road was solely for the purpose of using it as political leverage against the democrats. There was literally no excuse for not getting funding for his wall over the past two years. Except to use government employees as hostages. There is no two sides to blame here. Republicans had the power to do so. They didn't. Now at the 11th hour they want to do it, so they can blame Democrats for not adhering to their outlandish demands.
- zaroth 8y agoActually, they didn’t have the votes in the Senate. They still don’t without bipartisan support. The funding Donald wanted is now less than the cost of the shutdown. $5.7 billion toward border security is not outlandish. Shutting down the government for 30 days absolutely is outlandish.
- fzeroracer 8y agoObjectively wrong. They HAD the votes in the Senate. There was absolutely nothing stopping them from employing the nuclear option to fund the wall. A simple majority was all they needed. If they wanted to fund the damn wall, they could've funded it. You're right that shutting down the government for 30 days is outlandish, and it falls squarely on Republicans and Trump.
- zaroth 8y agoMy understanding is that the so-called “nuclear option” was eliminating the 60-vote threshold only for Federal branch nominees and judicial appointments, not for basic legislation and particularly not the budget. Eliminating the 60-vote threshold for legislation would destroy a massive part of what makes the Senate the Senate. It is stunningly worse policy than spending $6b on marginally effective border security. But because Republicans didn’t do that, and Dems won’t vote for even $2 of Wall funding the only blame for the current shutdown is to Republicans. Do I understand your logic correctly?
- mikeash 8y agoWhat if I believe he’s a foreign agent with lots of evidence?