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It's not though. Vetos can easily be overridden by the legislative branch so this is coordination between executive and the Republicans of the legislation. "Tr

It's not though. Vetos can easily be overridden by the legislative branch so this is coordination between executive and the Republicans of the legislation. "Trump is doing this and is unstoppable" is a false narrative and is the reason that "Trump is compromised by Russia" is a senseless explanation.

jquery 8y ago
I'm not sure why you're being downvoted for stating facts and reasonable opinions. I've been on Hacker News long enough I'm allowed to call out increasing the Reddit influence (which is why I visit less and less). It's getting worse. It appears Hacker News is no longer an adult forum to discuss controversial things in a sober manner. The guardrails Paul Graham put in place are beginning to break as Hacker News ages and the immigrants are able to use the downvote button.
- fzeroracer 8y ago
  Fearmongering like this does not for a reasonable argument make. Especially when you're invoking language like calling people you don't like 'immigrants'.
  - sattoshi 8y ago
    Why do you seem to imply that "immigrants" is derogatory? I'm an immigrant. I'm not proud of being an immigrant but nor am I ashamed of it, it's just a characteristic. Redditors moving to hackernews can be called immigrants as they behave much in the same way. They have their own culture and background which they bring with them. Of course, they may assimilate but it doesn't seem to be working too good lately. I personally have wound up on hackernews maybe 5 years ago, but I have definitely seen a decline in discourse over the last three years or so specifically. I generally don't interact much as I often feel like there are people far more knowledgeable on a particular topic than myself and my comments would be little more than noise. You seem to have taken a similar path with most comments being on political topics, with echoes of champagne socialism. Fundamentally, I came here for the technology. I understand that discussions of politics are inevitable on this post in particular, yet I dread the day when the comments will be reduced to "orange man bad" as is the case on Reddit. Perhaps, I am just afraid of progress.
    - jquery 8y ago
      > Perhaps, I am just afraid of progress. No, you're getting older and more mature even as the HN audience becomes younger and less so. It reminds me of the original "rage comic" subreddit which was devilishly clever until it became popular, and you could see in real time as people started talking about issues that affect younger and younger cohorts, until I finally saw boring middle-school drama in the subreddit (long after I left).
- Jordrok 8y ago
  > The guardrails Paul Graham put in place are beginning to break as Hacker News ages and the immigrants are able to use the downvote button. ...seriously? Give me a break.
  - jquery 8y ago
    A flippant reply instead of engaging my comment. This is exactly the reddit-like behavior Paul Graham was worried about when he added those guardrails. Don't worry, I'll give you a break, along with the other commenters that made Hacker News the shining star it used to be. Hacker News isn't the only tech forum for sober adult discussion.

jquery 8y ago

I'm not sure why you're being downvoted for stating facts and reasonable opinions. I've been on Hacker News long enough I'm allowed to call out increasing the Reddit influence (which is why I visit less and less). It's getting worse. It appears Hacker News is no longer an adult forum to discuss controversial things in a sober manner. The guardrails Paul Graham put in place are beginning to break as Hacker News ages and the immigrants are able to use the downvote button.

fzeroracer 8y ago
Fearmongering like this does not for a reasonable argument make. Especially when you're invoking language like calling people you don't like 'immigrants'.
- sattoshi 8y ago
  Why do you seem to imply that "immigrants" is derogatory? I'm an immigrant. I'm not proud of being an immigrant but nor am I ashamed of it, it's just a characteristic. Redditors moving to hackernews can be called immigrants as they behave much in the same way. They have their own culture and background which they bring with them. Of course, they may assimilate but it doesn't seem to be working too good lately. I personally have wound up on hackernews maybe 5 years ago, but I have definitely seen a decline in discourse over the last three years or so specifically. I generally don't interact much as I often feel like there are people far more knowledgeable on a particular topic than myself and my comments would be little more than noise. You seem to have taken a similar path with most comments being on political topics, with echoes of champagne socialism. Fundamentally, I came here for the technology. I understand that discussions of politics are inevitable on this post in particular, yet I dread the day when the comments will be reduced to "orange man bad" as is the case on Reddit. Perhaps, I am just afraid of progress.
  - jquery 8y ago
    > Perhaps, I am just afraid of progress. No, you're getting older and more mature even as the HN audience becomes younger and less so. It reminds me of the original "rage comic" subreddit which was devilishly clever until it became popular, and you could see in real time as people started talking about issues that affect younger and younger cohorts, until I finally saw boring middle-school drama in the subreddit (long after I left).
Jordrok 8y ago
> The guardrails Paul Graham put in place are beginning to break as Hacker News ages and the immigrants are able to use the downvote button. ...seriously? Give me a break.
- jquery 8y ago
  A flippant reply instead of engaging my comment. This is exactly the reddit-like behavior Paul Graham was worried about when he added those guardrails. Don't worry, I'll give you a break, along with the other commenters that made Hacker News the shining star it used to be. Hacker News isn't the only tech forum for sober adult discussion.