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There are 2 conflicting forces at work. On the one hand you have politics trying to take control of the internet, monitor everything, and censor what they don't

There are 2 conflicting forces at work. On the one hand you have politics trying to take control of the internet, monitor everything, and censor what they don't like. On the other hand you have people developing decentralised, anonymous, and censorship-resistant technology like Tor and IPFS. The more work politics puts in to trying to control the internet, the more incentive there is to develop tools to work around politics. Politics has the force of law behind it, cryptography has irrefutable mathematics. Let's see who wins.

nkkollaw 8y ago
There are and there will be tools to counter governments' attempts at censoring or controlling the internet, but most people will never find out nor be able to use those tools. Most people use the tools that came with their phone by default. In addition, as those efforts gain more popularity propaganda from the government will increase, and will make the regular Joe feel like cryptography is for terrorists. I mean not to be pessimistic, but... :-D
- alacombe 8y ago
  Funny enough that the companies who built a lot of those tools are the first to censor & attempt to control the Internet.
  - nkkollaw 8y ago
    Yup. We're seeing quite a lot of episodes of deplatforming lately. It seems as if payment processors are pressuring everyone down below to comply, but it start with them.
CodeMage 8y ago
> Politics has the force of law behind it, cryptography has irrefutable mathematics. Let's see who wins. In the end, force wins. Irrefutable mathematics are just a tool. Every right we have has been won through struggle. Sometimes that struggle is non-violent, sometimes it's less so, but it's always a struggle. A lot of people tend to forget that and think that technology will magically solve things. Or if not technology, something else or someone else will do it.
- antidesitter 8y ago
  > In the end, force wins. Not always. At some point, the cost of enforcement becomes too high and unfeasible.
  - alacombe 8y ago
    Didn't seem to have been a problem in USSR (especially with a brainwashed population) and still isn't a problem in China, Venezuella & others dictatorship.
    - antidesitter 8y ago
      I am from Venezuela. An example of what I’m talking about is the black market for dollars and the use of bitcoins by Venezuelans to illegally dodge currency controls.
- alacombe 8y ago
  > In the end, force wins. Thanks for the 2nd Amendment :-) Force doesn't have to be privatized by Governments.
  - tylerl 8y ago
    This is the EU. They don't have "amendments".
  - isostatic 8y ago
    The Syrian people were armed, that turned out well. Your AR-15 isn't much use against the Airforce's F15. The world has moved on since 1776, local militias can't cope against national military - even one as an expedition force, and in the U.S specifically entire countries can't cope against the U.S. military as an expidition force, what hope does a local militia have against a U.S. based military? The most you'll get is a guerilla war and terrorism, and that always works out well./sarcasm
    - antidesitter 8y ago

nkkollaw 8y ago

There are and there will be tools to counter governments' attempts at censoring or controlling the internet, but most people will never find out nor be able to use those tools. Most people use the tools that came with their phone by default. In addition, as those efforts gain more popularity propaganda from the government will increase, and will make the regular Joe feel like cryptography is for terrorists. I mean not to be pessimistic, but... :-D

alacombe 8y ago
Funny enough that the companies who built a lot of those tools are the first to censor & attempt to control the Internet.
- nkkollaw 8y ago
  Yup. We're seeing quite a lot of episodes of deplatforming lately. It seems as if payment processors are pressuring everyone down below to comply, but it start with them.

CodeMage 8y ago

> Politics has the force of law behind it, cryptography has irrefutable mathematics. Let's see who wins. In the end, force wins. Irrefutable mathematics are just a tool. Every right we have has been won through struggle. Sometimes that struggle is non-violent, sometimes it's less so, but it's always a struggle. A lot of people tend to forget that and think that technology will magically solve things. Or if not technology, something else or someone else will do it.

antidesitter 8y ago
> In the end, force wins. Not always. At some point, the cost of enforcement becomes too high and unfeasible.
- alacombe 8y ago
  Didn't seem to have been a problem in USSR (especially with a brainwashed population) and still isn't a problem in China, Venezuella & others dictatorship.
  - antidesitter 8y ago
    I am from Venezuela. An example of what I’m talking about is the black market for dollars and the use of bitcoins by Venezuelans to illegally dodge currency controls.
alacombe 8y ago
> In the end, force wins. Thanks for the 2nd Amendment :-) Force doesn't have to be privatized by Governments.
- tylerl 8y ago
  This is the EU. They don't have "amendments".
- isostatic 8y ago
  The Syrian people were armed, that turned out well. Your AR-15 isn't much use against the Airforce's F15. The world has moved on since 1776, local militias can't cope against national military - even one as an expedition force, and in the U.S specifically entire countries can't cope against the U.S. military as an expidition force, what hope does a local militia have against a U.S. based military? The most you'll get is a guerilla war and terrorism, and that always works out well./sarcasm
  - antidesitter 8y ago