4 ms·
> One where if I call out that our board has too many white men With only 1 woman on facebook's board of 9, men are considerably over-represented. But white pe
by deogeo 8y ago
> One where if I call out that our board has too many white men
With only 1 woman on facebook's board of 9, men are considerably over-represented. But white people are not.
The board has 5 non-hispanic white people, 3 jewish, and 1 black. US demographics for those groups are 60%, 1.77%, and 12.6%.
This means white people are 92% represented, black 88%, and jewish 1880%.
- lazyasciiart 8y ago"Jewish" and "white" are not considered to be mutually exclusive. It's very odd to see that categorization. Why do you group them like that?
- justtopost 8y agoHow are the jewish people 'white'? Are black people white? Arabs? How are YOU drawing the line?
- paganel 8y agoMost of the Ashkenazi Jews are certainly white, as in they have white skin. I’d say that even the Sephardic Jews would be considered white based on their skin color alone. But categorizing people by skin color is one of the stupidest things ever, though, as I for myself am white (as in I have white skin) while my brother is more brownish, the reason for that being that our father is white-skinned while our mother is more dark-skinned.
- perfmode 8y agoIs zuckerberg white or jewish?
- throwaway5752 8y agoTo the point, they are orthogonal and it's an incorrect comparison (regardless of any viewpoint on diversity).
- deogeo 8y agoThey were treated as a separate group throughout most of Europe's history, and faced extreme prejudice and suffering because of it. Hardly seems fair to dilute their achievements and experience by lumping them under 'white'.
- iqy 8y agoIf you don't lump them under "white", you'll see they are over-represented on higher positions of the media, tech, government, justice, etc. so it's in their own best interest to be lumped with whites.
- deogeo 8y agoDo you have a source for this? Because as the founder of Facebook is jewish, Facebook might not be a representative sample. I.e. it's expected, since a large part of his social circle (family, friends) are also jewish.
- ng12 8y agoI kind of don't want to touch this issue for obvious reasons, but a while ago I read that 20-25% of Ivy League students are Jewish [1]. It makes sense that they'd be over-represented in education-driven professions. 1. https://www.jpost.com/Diaspora/The-most-heavily-Jewish-US-college-and-other-facts-about-Jews-at-American-colleges-437701 https://www.jpost.com/Diaspora/The-most-heavily-Jewish-US-co...
- devmunchies 8y agoAlthough i think this is normal behavior, it seems like a double standard. Wouldn't a white euorpean be inclined to do same thing (hire people similar to themselves)? I hope that as tech expands to all continents and becomes a truly globally distributed sector, we'll stop caring about race at a specific company since tech will competitive and diverse on a global scale. (e.g. a firm in India competing with a firm in Germany competing with a firm in Brazil)
- jlawson 8y ago
- everythingswan 8y agoA Jewish friend of mine once told me to pay attention to instances where they were classified as white or not and, dang, was she right. She called it being _selectively_ white. I think this is a good example of that.
- zozbot123 8y agoAsians get the same treatment, though. They're the minority that gets forgotten about, because it doesn't fit some convenient narrative of e.g. "White males are dominating STEM fields", or "Minorities are discriminated against and thus fail to achieve success and affirmation".
- elboru 8y agoFor me (a Hispanic) it's odd to see any race categorization at all, it seems like an obsession for both right and left wings in the US. Why does it matter so much? White and Hispanic is not mutually exclusive in a lot of cases, the same for Black and Hispanic or Native American and Hispanic, in most cases it's difficult to even set a race tag.
- sgt 8y agoRace used by statistics and government is of course a simplification, so if you have to do it, you kinda need to embrace the simplicity of it. Personally I think the term caucasian works well. Jewish has of course a historic racial component, but practically (again, the simplicity) is more like an identity such as "hispanic". So if you are white hispanic, you're white. If you are jewish, you are white. If you're a black hispanic, you tick the box for black.
- zozbot123 8y agoIn fact, even "Hispanic" and "white" are not considered to be mutually exclusive! These ethnic classifications are just weird.
- sgt 8y agoAll the jewish people I know are white, so I am not sure these categories make sense. It may make more sense to refer to caucasians (albeit a broad category).
- devmunchies 8y agoIf the goal is diversity then I'm not sure "white" makes sense. If the goal is to be culturally diverse, then yes jewish people tend to have different experiences and culture than other "whites".
- egwynn 8y agoMost of the time people use the word “caucasian” because it seems somehow more “technical” or “scientific” than saying “white people”. It’s an unfortunate word, for sure.
- deleted 8y ago[deleted]
- deleted 8y ago[deleted]
- benmmurphy 8y agoI wonder what is the correct way to look at the board representation. Sure you can use gender or race (are Jew's white or a separate race?). But what about BMI, hair color, eye color, height, sexual orientation, gender identification or index-ring finger ratio. How do we decide on which demographics we want to equalize? Surely, whatever board we decide on there will be one set of attributes which will show an unfair distribution.
- lgeorget 8y agoIt's out of topic, I know, but there's something I've wondered for a long time: if a Spanish person immigrates to the USA, do they count as Hispanic?