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Obviously, the comments on Blind are not direct harassment, as you are not expected to read them, or can obviously choose not to read them. The point is that i
by toss1 8y ago
Obviously, the comments on Blind are not direct harassment, as you are not expected to read them, or can obviously choose not to read them.
The point is that it provides:
hard data about the whispering campaign going on behind your back, the conversations from which you are excluded.
that the harassment does actually exist, and is not a mere allegation by you being paranoid.
that other people can go verify the hostile attitudes and expressions for themselves.
provides real, externally verifiable evidence of problems at facebook, not coming merely from the famous "disgruntled ex-employee"
Stop trying to minimize serious issues (and if you do want to minimize them, at least make sound points that are better than trivial sophistry, a half step up from complaining about typos).
- CydeWeys 8y agoAnd it provides a mechanism for people to spread lies about you and collaborate against you. You can't simply turn a blind eye to this stuff; it does affect you, whether you read it or not.
- toss1 8y agoExactly! Another one I missed
- xiphias2 8y agoLies are a bad thing, but in this case if you read what people wrote she probably went too far and hurt people who had no other way to defend themselves, but to organize againt her. Also mass lies are hard to do with Blind, as you can't just register 100 users, there are real people working at big companirs behind each user, that's why I like it so much.
- fzeroracer 8y agoThis is probably one of the more absurd takes I've read, since it's essentially saying that the harassers are somehow the real victims in this situation.
- xiphias2 8y agoWhy can't there be multiple victims? People don't just start attacking a person for fun. There's always a reason. You may not agree with me, but in my experience diversity initiatives are nowdays extremely aggressive.
- fzeroracer 8y agoYou're making an excuse for a woman suffering harassment, enough so that she clearly felt unwelcome at the company while acting like it's her fault for 'going too far' somehow, a claim which is entirely unsubstantiated. Your logic is absolutely absurd. Acting like people 'don't just start attacking someone for fun' ignores the fact that people can and do face racism, sexism, transphobia and so forth. Especially when she clearly encountered transphobic comments, some of which I even saw spread here on HN.
- CydeWeys 8y agoIt also ignores the fact that bullying exists, i.e. people indeed literally do "just start attacking someone for fun", and it doesn't stop with childhood. Anyone who's ever visited the comments section of any website knows this.
- ad-hominem 8y ago> hard data about the whispering campaign going on behind your back, the conversations from which you are excluded. This is not necessarily harassment. People not agreeing with you, thinking you are stupid or unqualified, talking to each other about it - does not constitute harassment. Especially on a public, anonymous forum. > that the harassment does actually exist, and is not a mere allegation by you being paranoid. if you are referencing your first line, it still isn't harassment just because you say so. > that other people can go verify the hostile attitudes and expressions for themselves. People reacting in a hostile manner to a person's ideas or opinions isn't harassment. > provides real, externally verifiable evidence of problems at facebook, not coming merely from the famous "disgruntled ex-employee" Maybe, maybe these are real verifiable problems at facebook. But the conversation regarding this woman's position on diversity isn't necessarily harassment. Even extremely stupid, backwards, phobic comments aren't harassment. Those comments aren't directed at her and even though the people making them are horribly misguided, classifying all the conversation around her position as "harassment" is disingenuous.
- xiphias2 8y agoThe issues of the people who are using blind to voice their opinions are at least as serious as the problems the woman who quit has. I understand that she felt harassed, but the point was not to hurt her, but to organize against her behaviour that others felt was too much. Also the article proved that Blind was needed: Facebook management was looking for the people and they could have got into trouble.