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> It feels like when I search on Google, Google is telling me 'No no, you don't care about JsonAPI parsing performance, you care about parsing json, because we

by aylmao 8y ago

> It feels like when I search on Google, Google is telling me 'No no, you don't care about JsonAPI parsing performance, you care about parsing json, because we know best'. I've experienced more of this lately, and see myself using the quotation mark syntax to a greater extent (quotations will tell Google to explicitly include a phrase in their search). I don't know if at this point their are over-optimizing and now all the other data Google has about you matters more than what you type on the search box, but it's annoying sometimes. Or maybe they're giving your search a slight nudge to results where they could get a better profit? I wonder how they measure search effectivity, and what they are optimizing towards.

rurp 8y ago
I've found that even quotes don't always work with Google these days. Google's insistence on returning results to more popular, but distinctly different, queries than what I actually searched for is what finally prompted me to switch over to DDG full time. Overall I've found DDG results are actually better and less frustrating than Google's for this exact reason.
- Semaphor 8y ago
  That's funny because unlike DDG, Google actually works with quotes. I have yet to find a Google query where Google ignores the quotes (it even goes as far as telling me it can't find anything). DDG, on the other hand, decided a few months ago that their users are dumb and only mistakenly tried to force part of their query. It's really annoying me because it's what makes me use !g more than anything else.
  - rurp 8y ago
    It's weird that I've had the exact opposite experience, but you aren't the only person posting that quotes always work for them on Google. I've definitely had them return irrelevant results that did not include quoted terms, but can't remember an example off of the top of my head. I think it would be helpful if I (or anyone else reading this) saved some examples for the next time this discussion comes up.
    - qu4z-2 8y ago
      I have no concrete examples, but even with '+"term"' I've had google return results with "ten" bolded as if it matched, with "term" nowhere on the page. EDIT: Not those exact terms obviously, but that degree of "That's almost completely different to what I typed!"
    - puzzle 8y ago
      Maybe the quoted terms were in page keywords or inbound links.
  - eitland 8y ago
    > I have yet to find a Google query where Google ignores the quotes (it even goes as far as telling me it can't find anything). Happened again and again to me until late last year or something. Don't know what happened but I do have an tip that might help (and might be a nice idea for some of you): time and time again I observed weird behaviour from Google (ignoring quotes, excessive fuzzing of search terms etc). After living with it for a while I'd report it and be surprised by how fast they'd fix it. And after thinking about it I realized that no way Google is listening to me. What I'm pretty sure has happened is that time and time again I've been selected for all sorts of stupid A/B tests and when I report a bug what happens is I her added to a queue that removes me from the latest lame experiment a few hours later. As others I finally left, but I sometimes do a !g and lately Google has gone back to more honestly reporting 0 hits to me when I search for stuff like "some really long and rkfjjfjfirirjrjfjfjfjfj improbable sentence". As for why they've stopped experimenting with me I don't know. But thanks for helping me finally move on :-) And if Google is acting up, report a bug. Any bug. Most likely Google will magically "fix" it within a few hours.

by aylmao 8y ago

rurp 8y ago

I've found that even quotes don't always work with Google these days. Google's insistence on returning results to more popular, but distinctly different, queries than what I actually searched for is what finally prompted me to switch over to DDG full time. Overall I've found DDG results are actually better and less frustrating than Google's for this exact reason.

Semaphor 8y ago
That's funny because unlike DDG, Google actually works with quotes. I have yet to find a Google query where Google ignores the quotes (it even goes as far as telling me it can't find anything). DDG, on the other hand, decided a few months ago that their users are dumb and only mistakenly tried to force part of their query. It's really annoying me because it's what makes me use !g more than anything else.
- rurp 8y ago
  It's weird that I've had the exact opposite experience, but you aren't the only person posting that quotes always work for them on Google. I've definitely had them return irrelevant results that did not include quoted terms, but can't remember an example off of the top of my head. I think it would be helpful if I (or anyone else reading this) saved some examples for the next time this discussion comes up.
  - qu4z-2 8y ago
    I have no concrete examples, but even with '+"term"' I've had google return results with "ten" bolded as if it matched, with "term" nowhere on the page. EDIT: Not those exact terms obviously, but that degree of "That's almost completely different to what I typed!"
  - puzzle 8y ago
    Maybe the quoted terms were in page keywords or inbound links.
- eitland 8y ago
  > I have yet to find a Google query where Google ignores the quotes (it even goes as far as telling me it can't find anything). Happened again and again to me until late last year or something. Don't know what happened but I do have an tip that might help (and might be a nice idea for some of you): time and time again I observed weird behaviour from Google (ignoring quotes, excessive fuzzing of search terms etc). After living with it for a while I'd report it and be surprised by how fast they'd fix it. And after thinking about it I realized that no way Google is listening to me. What I'm pretty sure has happened is that time and time again I've been selected for all sorts of stupid A/B tests and when I report a bug what happens is I her added to a queue that removes me from the latest lame experiment a few hours later. As others I finally left, but I sometimes do a !g and lately Google has gone back to more honestly reporting 0 hits to me when I search for stuff like "some really long and rkfjjfjfirirjrjfjfjfjfj improbable sentence". As for why they've stopped experimenting with me I don't know. But thanks for helping me finally move on :-) And if Google is acting up, report a bug. Any bug. Most likely Google will magically "fix" it within a few hours.