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What about "Coordinated Inauthentic Behavior" from elsewhere? FB is just feeding the coordinated desinformation spread by the US. Billions in ADs, targeted mani

What about "Coordinated Inauthentic Behavior" from elsewhere? FB is just feeding the coordinated desinformation spread by the US. Billions in ADs, targeted manipulation, phone bots, media monopolies spreading bullshit round the year, but don't worry about that, look Russia...

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protonfish 8y ago
Only "good" propaganda is allowed.
notjonmadden 8y ago
Much easier to just ignore the US government's documented programs to manipulate social media and pretend only Evil Russia does it.
pergadad 8y ago
Top comments all are trying to relativise the stuff Russia is doing, what a surprise - basic propaganda tactics. The things the Russian propaganda machine is spreading are just intense. Misinformation on repeat, with real life consequences. That big US corps manipulate too is another story, but what Russia is doing is clearly at another scale and state sponsored with clear foreign policy aims, most importantly to undermine trust in institutions and the actual news media and secondly to try different alternate narratives and see which ones stick. The key aim of these many sites is to disseminate and diffuse the disinformation to come from 'many sources' at once, to make it more convincing (what we hear often enough we believe). This series of bans is a very good initiative, although I'd say far too little too late. Sputnik and co are not media, they are propaganda machines that happen to intersperse some true stories and occasional facts in their package of lies. If you don't believe me- look at the site. Solid news mixed with outlandish conspiracy theories, and all that 100% state sponsored. For context I very much recommend anyone interested to take a look at Oxford's excellent computational propaganda research: https://comprop.oii.ox.ac.uk/ https://comprop.oii.ox.ac.uk/ This official EU initiative is similar, taking apart individual pieces of disinformation: https://euvsdisinfo.eu/ https://euvsdisinfo.eu/
- zozbot123 8y ago
  > Top comments all are trying to relativise the stuff Russia is doing, what a surprise - basic propaganda tactics. FWIW, the commenting guidelines ask you not to impute astroturfing or shillage in HN comments. Although I do wonder to what extent such a suggestion might apply to this thread - "Coordinated Inauthentic Behavior" being as good a definition of astroturfing as any - it makes sense to err on the side of caution, if only for the sake of having a productive discussion!

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protonfish 8y ago

Only "good" propaganda is allowed.

notjonmadden 8y ago

Much easier to just ignore the US government's documented programs to manipulate social media and pretend only Evil Russia does it.

pergadad 8y ago

Top comments all are trying to relativise the stuff Russia is doing, what a surprise - basic propaganda tactics. The things the Russian propaganda machine is spreading are just intense. Misinformation on repeat, with real life consequences. That big US corps manipulate too is another story, but what Russia is doing is clearly at another scale and state sponsored with clear foreign policy aims, most importantly to undermine trust in institutions and the actual news media and secondly to try different alternate narratives and see which ones stick. The key aim of these many sites is to disseminate and diffuse the disinformation to come from 'many sources' at once, to make it more convincing (what we hear often enough we believe). This series of bans is a very good initiative, although I'd say far too little too late. Sputnik and co are not media, they are propaganda machines that happen to intersperse some true stories and occasional facts in their package of lies. If you don't believe me- look at the site. Solid news mixed with outlandish conspiracy theories, and all that 100% state sponsored. For context I very much recommend anyone interested to take a look at Oxford's excellent computational propaganda research: https://comprop.oii.ox.ac.uk/ https://comprop.oii.ox.ac.uk/ This official EU initiative is similar, taking apart individual pieces of disinformation: https://euvsdisinfo.eu/ https://euvsdisinfo.eu/

zozbot123 8y ago
> Top comments all are trying to relativise the stuff Russia is doing, what a surprise - basic propaganda tactics. FWIW, the commenting guidelines ask you not to impute astroturfing or shillage in HN comments. Although I do wonder to what extent such a suggestion might apply to this thread - "Coordinated Inauthentic Behavior" being as good a definition of astroturfing as any - it makes sense to err on the side of caution, if only for the sake of having a productive discussion!