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> I've never understood how it's possible to be offended on someone else's behalf . . . This may be true (that you don't understand), but I doubt it. If you ha
by jamesaguilar 16y ago
> I've never understood how it's possible to be offended on someone else's behalf . . .
This may be true (that you don't understand), but I doubt it. If you have ever taken a stance on the wellbeing of people other than yourself, particularly a political stance, or if you have ever defended a friend or family member against an accuser, or any number of other normal human social interactions, then you do understand what it feels like, although perhaps to a different degree than me in this case.
And, I also have to point out that whether you understand why I argue about this has precisely nothing to do with the validity of my arguments.
> It's entirely reasonable to point out that women may respond differently to visual depictions of nudity
Only if it's backed up by evidence and relevant. It is neither in this case. Observing that women are less hairy is a fact, provable, and does not play a role in the argument at hand. Observing that women react differently to nudity than men is wrong on two fronts. First, it may not even be true. Second, in the context of a woman making a political statement about the depiction of her gender, it is a rhetorical device based on a premise of unknown veracity whose primary purpose is to discredit her beliefs to a male audience. It's a variant of "women are irrational, so we don't need to listen to them," albeit less transparently foolish.
- jamaicahest 16y agoThe legal system here in Denmark requires you to be directly involved if you want to bring charges against someone, ie. you can't accuse someone of making racist comments unless they were about you. The law often has flaws and it does not translate directly to being emotionally offended, but it does politically. Disclaimer: IANAL.
- jamesaguilar 16y agoLet me make sure I understand you correctly. You believe that in order to be emotionally or rationally involved in a political debate, it is required that it affect you directly. Is that what you are trying to say? So is it your belief that, for example, politicians in Denmark only involve themselves in matters that concern them directly? They do not debate over or attempt to alter the fate of the poor, the sick, or the disenfranchised? Do authority figures of various kinds not intervene when they see a chance to prevent an injustice or correct a false belief? I must say, from your description Denmark sounds like a very unique place on this Earth. Far more unusual than I had been led to believe by the people I know who come from there or have visited the place. Also, could you explain what connection you think Denmark's legal standards of evidence have to the correct behavior of a person in political debate? Specifically, how is it relevant that Denmark's laws require civil complaints to be brought by the affected party?
- IsaacL 16y agoI'm going to get offended on behalf of jamesaguilar. Why is he getting so many downvotes? Comments shouldn't be downvoted because you disgaree with them, they should be downvoted because they're thoughtless or unconstructive. Since the above post was neither, I'm going to assume that some people need to reread the below: http://ycombinator.com/newswelcome.html http://ycombinator.com/newswelcome.html
- jamesaguilar 16y ago99% of the posts and comments here on HN have nothing to do with the readers directly, or, if they do, have no moral connotation one way or another. This does, and it's really uncomfortable to learn about the fact that you are part of a privileged group. You see exactly how unbiased people can be about which comments are worth reading when discussing this topic and others like it. Historically, I've found the answer to be, "Not very."