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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zero_waste https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zero_waste There are cities and companies whose stated goal is to have no garbage servic

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zero_waste https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zero_waste There are cities and companies whose stated goal is to have no garbage service and (somehow) recycle literally everything.

tjr225 8y ago
I'm failing to see how this ideology has invoked any sort of propaganda to suit its goals? They seem like pretty decent goals, too- though my opinions on this aren't really relevant towards whether or not propaganda is being employed.
- vibrato 8y ago
  Reduce reuse recycle
  - tjr225 8y ago
    I can see where you're coming from and it is hard to distinguish from campaign and propaganda but are you genuinely and sincerely suggesting that suggesting that humans "Reduce, reuse, and recycle" Is propaganda? What is the opposite action of that? What is a negative thing one could do counter to reducing, reusing, and recycling? It seems to me that the only propaganda that could come about would be counter to those goals.
    - mrob 8y ago
      It's propaganda. The correct solution is for the state to tax the externalities and let the free market solve the problem, instead of hoping people will solve it out of ethical duty. "Reduce, reuse, and recycle" instead of taxing waste is just giving the sociopaths/psychopaths yet another advantage. With correctly priced externalities there would be no need for such slogans, because it would be in everybody's best interest to do the right thing.
      - ams6110 8y ago
        They do both. I pay the city per container to pick up my trash. They also run a relentless "reduce, reuse, recycle" campaign.
    - wccrawford 8y ago
      From Wikipedia >Propaganda is information that is not objective and is used primarily to influence an audience and further an agenda, often by presenting facts selectively to encourage a particular synthesis or perception, or using loaded language to produce an emotional rather than a rational response to the information that is presented. Propaganda doesn't have to be negative, it just has to be influential. The "negative thing" about "reduce reuse recycle" is the thing we're talking about here: "Hoarding". It encourages people to keep things they don't actually need or want, which has negative effects on their living conditions and psyches, which in turn can be negative for society in general. I'm sure it's great for the environment, but it's less than great for the humans.
- coldtea 8y ago
  >though my opinions on this aren't really relevant towards whether or not propaganda is being employed Isn't such opinions the whole difference between "propaganda" and "legitimate concerns"? People who adhere to some idea, see efforts to spread it as perfectly normal reasoning. Others would see it as propaganda.
ironcan 8y ago
Your link doesn't support your thesis, and I don't know of any place that have such policy, except probably shitty places that didn't have good services in the first place.
- trevyn 8y ago
  See the “Zero waste jurisdictions” subhead: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zero_waste#Zero_waste_jurisdictions https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zero_waste#Zero_waste_jurisd... Austin, Vancouver, San Francisco, Boulder. Can personally confirm that it’s a big public propaganda and policy thing in SF. You get people spending time washing out their bottles like we’re running out of glass or a place to put it.
  - throwaway64738 8y ago
    Meanwhile others are so desperate for clean water to drink they are desalinating sea water. Humans are very strange.
acutesoftware 8y ago
I worked for a place that removed all bins from peoples desks and offices, so the only bin left was in the kitchen. I suspect the idea was to "remove the bins to reduce waste", but we still ate our lunches and just went for many walks a day to the kitchen. They stopped the policy after several months
- vict00ms 8y ago
  Same thing happened at an office I worked in: removed personal bins from desks, then returned them after the bins in the kitchen and bathrooms were constantly overflowing.

tjr225 8y ago

I'm failing to see how this ideology has invoked any sort of propaganda to suit its goals? They seem like pretty decent goals, too- though my opinions on this aren't really relevant towards whether or not propaganda is being employed.

vibrato 8y ago
Reduce reuse recycle
- tjr225 8y ago
  I can see where you're coming from and it is hard to distinguish from campaign and propaganda but are you genuinely and sincerely suggesting that suggesting that humans "Reduce, reuse, and recycle" Is propaganda? What is the opposite action of that? What is a negative thing one could do counter to reducing, reusing, and recycling? It seems to me that the only propaganda that could come about would be counter to those goals.
  - mrob 8y ago
    It's propaganda. The correct solution is for the state to tax the externalities and let the free market solve the problem, instead of hoping people will solve it out of ethical duty. "Reduce, reuse, and recycle" instead of taxing waste is just giving the sociopaths/psychopaths yet another advantage. With correctly priced externalities there would be no need for such slogans, because it would be in everybody's best interest to do the right thing.
    - ams6110 8y ago
      They do both. I pay the city per container to pick up my trash. They also run a relentless "reduce, reuse, recycle" campaign.
  - wccrawford 8y ago
    From Wikipedia >Propaganda is information that is not objective and is used primarily to influence an audience and further an agenda, often by presenting facts selectively to encourage a particular synthesis or perception, or using loaded language to produce an emotional rather than a rational response to the information that is presented. Propaganda doesn't have to be negative, it just has to be influential. The "negative thing" about "reduce reuse recycle" is the thing we're talking about here: "Hoarding". It encourages people to keep things they don't actually need or want, which has negative effects on their living conditions and psyches, which in turn can be negative for society in general. I'm sure it's great for the environment, but it's less than great for the humans.
coldtea 8y ago
>though my opinions on this aren't really relevant towards whether or not propaganda is being employed Isn't such opinions the whole difference between "propaganda" and "legitimate concerns"? People who adhere to some idea, see efforts to spread it as perfectly normal reasoning. Others would see it as propaganda.

ironcan 8y ago

Your link doesn't support your thesis, and I don't know of any place that have such policy, except probably shitty places that didn't have good services in the first place.

trevyn 8y ago
See the “Zero waste jurisdictions” subhead: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zero_waste#Zero_waste_jurisdictions https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zero_waste#Zero_waste_jurisd... Austin, Vancouver, San Francisco, Boulder. Can personally confirm that it’s a big public propaganda and policy thing in SF. You get people spending time washing out their bottles like we’re running out of glass or a place to put it.
- throwaway64738 8y ago
  Meanwhile others are so desperate for clean water to drink they are desalinating sea water. Humans are very strange.

acutesoftware 8y ago

I worked for a place that removed all bins from peoples desks and offices, so the only bin left was in the kitchen. I suspect the idea was to "remove the bins to reduce waste", but we still ate our lunches and just went for many walks a day to the kitchen. They stopped the policy after several months

vict00ms 8y ago
Same thing happened at an office I worked in: removed personal bins from desks, then returned them after the bins in the kitchen and bathrooms were constantly overflowing.