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It doesn't take a fancy model to observe "the glacier is disappearing. When it is gone there will be no summer melt water" Yes, there are ways to adapt. But pr
by graeme 8y ago
It doesn't take a fancy model to observe "the glacier is disappearing. When it is gone there will be no summer melt water"
Yes, there are ways to adapt. But previously the glacier provided a free service and now we must soend energy to replace it.
It likewise doesn't take a soeculative model to observe "hmm, more plants die in heat waves. If it keeps getting warmer more crops will die"
Certainly we can motigste, but again we pay more energy for the same result.
It likewise needs no speculative model to note that storm surges now send water seeping up through the streets of Miami, and that if oceans keep rising, this will worsen.
You seem to be saying that we can't know anything about the future, and if anything bad happens we will surely adapt.
Your optimism is admirable but you would make a lousy general.
- ThomPete 8y agoAgain you are trying to position this as something new. Humans have dealt with this before. There are plenty of links in this thread here showing how it's been even warmer before yet life went on. So again it still comes back to the simple fact that neither you nor anyone else have even remotely demonstrated that we should be as worried about the future as many would like us to be. I am not saying we can't know anything I am saying we don't know what exactly it is we should worry about and whether we should worry and we don't know what the consequences of prematurely doing things like making fossil fuel illegal or focusing on an inferior technology like solar and wind long before they can provide enough energy and replace the current energy sources reliably is the wrong way to go about it EXACTLY BECAUSE there is nothing that suggest that the consequences whatever they are will be cataclysmic which means it's not actually an argument for forgetting about the peoeple who exist today and who also want live better lives, also want to live like we do in the west. You and others seem to assume that hindering climate change is without consequences for people living today. I have yet to see a suggestion that isn't fundamentally about stopping what we are doing to some extent.