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> France has oil trade deals with African countries and China. 99% sure that is an impossibility but willing to take a look at any refs/articles you could lin

> France has oil trade deals with African countries and China. 99% sure that is an impossibility but willing to take a look at any refs/articles you could link? > Switzerland has trade deals that explicitly exclude certain EU member states Similarly, pretty sure this is an impossibility. Any trade agreements are with and available to (all members of) the EU under the same set of conditions or they're not and they(Switzerland) would then trade under WTO rules.

candiodari 8y ago
1) https://www.ctvnews.ca/business/iran-signs-5b-gas-deal-with-france-s-total-chinese-oil-firm-1.3486786 https://www.ctvnews.ca/business/iran-signs-5b-gas-deal-with-... Now you could say there's some excuse here. The oil in question technically never enters the EU, so it "doesn't have to" follow EU legislation (which prohibits dealing commercially with Iran). I'm sure if necessary something like that will be pointed out. Maybe it's also "not" Total selling the oil, but obviously they get part of the profit. And I'm sure there's some reason "Iran is not involved at all". Also worth pointing out: the US has in the meantime successfully forced Total, over the LOUD protest of both French and German governments to abandon this deal. 2) https://www.expatica.com/ch/moving/visas/guide-for-eu-efta-citizens-and-relatives-moving-to-switzerland-443220/#romanians https://www.expatica.com/ch/moving/visas/guide-for-eu-efta-c... You can see the rules about employing Romanian and Bulgarian citizens (which are EU citizens) in Switzerland are very different from employing, say, French or German citizens. Note that this is one of the things the UK now tells Britain is non-negotiable. Somehow in practice another (labour related) trade deal the EU ... has negotiated it. Of course, there are historical reasons for this, but of course that's true for all trade deals.
- lightgreen 8y ago
  2) employment is not trade. So neither of your examples prove that EU members can negotiate side trade deal.
  - candiodari 8y ago
    You might want to read exactly on what point does the fight between the EU and UK is mostly fought ... Yep: labour and movement of people is one of the important points ...
- purple_ducks 8y ago
  re: 1) That article is about a French multinational oil company entering a commercial agreement with Iran. This doesn't relate to an EU member state doing a "side" trade treaty with a non-EU member. Any other EU company could have done the same. re: 2) Seems like that provision was in the agreement Switzerland made with the EU: from: https://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/business/freedom-of-movement_switzerland-prolongs-immigration-limits-for-bulgarians-and-romanians/44057938 https://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/business/freedom-of-movement_sw... > Switzerland first activated such a safeguard clause – a controversial instrument of its complex dealings with the EU – in 2012, to limit the number of citizens arriving from certain new member countries who joined the EU in 2004..
  - inflagranti 8y ago
    From my understanding the Switzerland negotiated clause re Romania and other late joiners was timebound, which is why it was acceptable.

candiodari 8y ago

1) https://www.ctvnews.ca/business/iran-signs-5b-gas-deal-with-france-s-total-chinese-oil-firm-1.3486786 https://www.ctvnews.ca/business/iran-signs-5b-gas-deal-with-... Now you could say there's some excuse here. The oil in question technically never enters the EU, so it "doesn't have to" follow EU legislation (which prohibits dealing commercially with Iran). I'm sure if necessary something like that will be pointed out. Maybe it's also "not" Total selling the oil, but obviously they get part of the profit. And I'm sure there's some reason "Iran is not involved at all". Also worth pointing out: the US has in the meantime successfully forced Total, over the LOUD protest of both French and German governments to abandon this deal. 2) https://www.expatica.com/ch/moving/visas/guide-for-eu-efta-citizens-and-relatives-moving-to-switzerland-443220/#romanians https://www.expatica.com/ch/moving/visas/guide-for-eu-efta-c... You can see the rules about employing Romanian and Bulgarian citizens (which are EU citizens) in Switzerland are very different from employing, say, French or German citizens. Note that this is one of the things the UK now tells Britain is non-negotiable. Somehow in practice another (labour related) trade deal the EU ... has negotiated it. Of course, there are historical reasons for this, but of course that's true for all trade deals.

lightgreen 8y ago
2) employment is not trade. So neither of your examples prove that EU members can negotiate side trade deal.
- candiodari 8y ago
  You might want to read exactly on what point does the fight between the EU and UK is mostly fought ... Yep: labour and movement of people is one of the important points ...
purple_ducks 8y ago
re: 1) That article is about a French multinational oil company entering a commercial agreement with Iran. This doesn't relate to an EU member state doing a "side" trade treaty with a non-EU member. Any other EU company could have done the same. re: 2) Seems like that provision was in the agreement Switzerland made with the EU: from: https://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/business/freedom-of-movement_switzerland-prolongs-immigration-limits-for-bulgarians-and-romanians/44057938 https://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/business/freedom-of-movement_sw... > Switzerland first activated such a safeguard clause – a controversial instrument of its complex dealings with the EU – in 2012, to limit the number of citizens arriving from certain new member countries who joined the EU in 2004..
- inflagranti 8y ago
  From my understanding the Switzerland negotiated clause re Romania and other late joiners was timebound, which is why it was acceptable.