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It's just as much Pelosi and Schumer playing politics. They don't want to give him any money, despite this being a fairly small request, because they know that

It's just as much Pelosi and Schumer playing politics. They don't want to give him any money, despite this being a fairly small request, because they know that if he can't deliver on his central campaign promise it will tear his base away from him and secure his 2020 defeat.

war1025 8y ago
Like I said, it's seige tactics on both sides. Which base is willing to starve for longer basically.
odorousrex 8y ago
>because they know that if he can't deliver on his central campaign promise it will tear his base away from him and secure his 2020 defeat. This is not true. Trump could capitulate on the wall and he wouldn't lose a single voter in his "MAGA" base. He's basically a personality cult. Sure the conservative talking heads will rant and rave for a while, but by 2020 it will all be forgotten. All of his supporters will find internal justifications to support him again even if it's a simple as "never supporting a 'libtard'". (They would rally around Gorsuch/Kavanaugh, low taxes, et al...) Trump will blame democrats (ofc) and his base will see it that way. "He didn't surrender it's the 'DEEP STATE' that got him!" Pelosi/Schumer base is not so cultish - They won't forgive nor forget. They have everything to lose.
- LyndsySimon 8y ago
  > Trump could capitulate on the wall and he wouldn't lose a single voter in his "MAGA" base. He's basically a personality cult. I disagree. Trump is already on dangerous ground with his directing the recent bump stock ruling. Publicly failing on something as big as this in the public eye would be catastrophic to his campaign.
thatoneuser 8y ago
I have to agree. Trumps political career will consist of 4-8 years. He doesn't have any reason to care about anything but doing what he promised. And like you say - it's really not a big ask. It's around .1% of the US spending last year. Edit: Sigh. Downvoted for stating pretty obvious truths. 5 billion to the US govt is very little. Trump isn't a lifetime politician, he's just in it for a term or two. If anyone has a valid criticism of those two statements please write it down.
yellowapple 8y ago
Correction: his base will blame Pelosi and Schumer for standing in the way of border security and vote in droves for Trump Term 2: Electric Boogaloo.
- AnimalMuppet 8y ago
  Election Boogaloo. I can't believe you missed that.
  - yellowapple 8y ago
    Well shucks.
scruple 8y ago
"We defeated him on the wall, we'll defeat him in 2020!" Yes, I have had the same thought for the last week or two. I'm no fan of Trump but I'm also no fan of Pelosi. These are ultra wealthy people playing games with each other at the expense of Americans.

war1025 8y ago

Like I said, it's seige tactics on both sides. Which base is willing to starve for longer basically.

odorousrex 8y ago

>because they know that if he can't deliver on his central campaign promise it will tear his base away from him and secure his 2020 defeat. This is not true. Trump could capitulate on the wall and he wouldn't lose a single voter in his "MAGA" base. He's basically a personality cult. Sure the conservative talking heads will rant and rave for a while, but by 2020 it will all be forgotten. All of his supporters will find internal justifications to support him again even if it's a simple as "never supporting a 'libtard'". (They would rally around Gorsuch/Kavanaugh, low taxes, et al...) Trump will blame democrats (ofc) and his base will see it that way. "He didn't surrender it's the 'DEEP STATE' that got him!" Pelosi/Schumer base is not so cultish - They won't forgive nor forget. They have everything to lose.

LyndsySimon 8y ago
> Trump could capitulate on the wall and he wouldn't lose a single voter in his "MAGA" base. He's basically a personality cult. I disagree. Trump is already on dangerous ground with his directing the recent bump stock ruling. Publicly failing on something as big as this in the public eye would be catastrophic to his campaign.

thatoneuser 8y ago

I have to agree. Trumps political career will consist of 4-8 years. He doesn't have any reason to care about anything but doing what he promised. And like you say - it's really not a big ask. It's around .1% of the US spending last year. Edit: Sigh. Downvoted for stating pretty obvious truths. 5 billion to the US govt is very little. Trump isn't a lifetime politician, he's just in it for a term or two. If anyone has a valid criticism of those two statements please write it down.

yellowapple 8y ago

Correction: his base will blame Pelosi and Schumer for standing in the way of border security and vote in droves for Trump Term 2: Electric Boogaloo.

AnimalMuppet 8y ago
Election Boogaloo. I can't believe you missed that.
- yellowapple 8y ago
  Well shucks.

scruple 8y ago

"We defeated him on the wall, we'll defeat him in 2020!" Yes, I have had the same thought for the last week or two. I'm no fan of Trump but I'm also no fan of Pelosi. These are ultra wealthy people playing games with each other at the expense of Americans.