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If the wall is immoral and ineffective, should the United States destruct the existing portions of the wall already built at the US-Mexican border?

jrochkind1 8y ago
I mean, I'd say yes, but you don't have to think so to not want to spend billions on more of it.
cenal 8y ago
Watched this video from CBS News recently and it looks like portions of the wall in place are sticks with wire: https://youtu.be/5o4d6Wp3u2Q https://youtu.be/5o4d6Wp3u2Q
- assblaster 8y ago
  What about the wall at the border by San Diego? That's a much better fortified structure, and if immoral and against the principles of the United States, wouldn't this portion be worth getting rid of?
atoav 8y ago
The wall is symbolic. It is completely useless for the proclaimed purpose.
jasonlotito 8y ago
If walls are effective, why isn't the plan to build one around all of the US? The reason is simple: walls aren't effective everywhere. The walls and fences that are up now? They weren't just randomly placed. They were put where they were to do the most good. Some have been more effective than others, but all together, the problem is no longer along the souther border. As for the plan for the wall being immoral: it's not right to waste money on things that 1) don't have a real plan, and 2) we have solid evidence suggesting it won't be effective doing what we want it to do. If you want to stop people from entering the US illegally and living here, you would do well to cut off their supply of jobs. This means going after organizations like the ones Trump runs that hire these people. Not only will that be less expensive, it will be more effective, and have more of an immediate impact.
- assblaster 8y ago
  >If you want to stop people from entering the US illegally and living here, you would do well to cut off their supply of jobs. However, if illegal aliens do not have jobs, then they will need to be on welfare, which would definitely mean more than there are already currently. If the existing unsecured border was truly secure, then there would not be 22 million illegal aliens living in the United States, so obviously something has to change since the status quo is unsustainable. Illegal immigration from Canada is not a major problem, especially since it's so hard to get into Canada, both from an asylum/immigration standpoint, but also geographically (surrounded by water).
  - jrochkind1 8y ago
    What sort of "welfare" do you think unauthorized migrants have access to? Just curious.

jrochkind1 8y ago

I mean, I'd say yes, but you don't have to think so to not want to spend billions on more of it.

cenal 8y ago

Watched this video from CBS News recently and it looks like portions of the wall in place are sticks with wire: https://youtu.be/5o4d6Wp3u2Q https://youtu.be/5o4d6Wp3u2Q

assblaster 8y ago
What about the wall at the border by San Diego? That's a much better fortified structure, and if immoral and against the principles of the United States, wouldn't this portion be worth getting rid of?

atoav 8y ago

The wall is symbolic. It is completely useless for the proclaimed purpose.

jasonlotito 8y ago

If walls are effective, why isn't the plan to build one around all of the US? The reason is simple: walls aren't effective everywhere. The walls and fences that are up now? They weren't just randomly placed. They were put where they were to do the most good. Some have been more effective than others, but all together, the problem is no longer along the souther border. As for the plan for the wall being immoral: it's not right to waste money on things that 1) don't have a real plan, and 2) we have solid evidence suggesting it won't be effective doing what we want it to do. If you want to stop people from entering the US illegally and living here, you would do well to cut off their supply of jobs. This means going after organizations like the ones Trump runs that hire these people. Not only will that be less expensive, it will be more effective, and have more of an immediate impact.

assblaster 8y ago
>If you want to stop people from entering the US illegally and living here, you would do well to cut off their supply of jobs. However, if illegal aliens do not have jobs, then they will need to be on welfare, which would definitely mean more than there are already currently. If the existing unsecured border was truly secure, then there would not be 22 million illegal aliens living in the United States, so obviously something has to change since the status quo is unsustainable. Illegal immigration from Canada is not a major problem, especially since it's so hard to get into Canada, both from an asylum/immigration standpoint, but also geographically (surrounded by water).
- jrochkind1 8y ago
  What sort of "welfare" do you think unauthorized migrants have access to? Just curious.