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Climate change has affected society for as long as we have records, and even before that. Drought overthrew pharaos [1], the Romans experienced a little ice age

Climate change has affected society for as long as we have records, and even before that. Drought overthrew pharaos [1], the Romans experienced a little ice age that contributed to their fall [2] in the 500s, Mayans form drought in the 1100s [3], and climate affected Chinese dynasties [5]. Even some of the expansions and contractions of viking migratory behavior was climate related. [1] https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/energy-environment/wp/2017/10/17/climate-change-sparked-revolts-in-ancient-egypt-study-says/?utm_term=.ce8ea5379277 https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/energy-environment/wp/20... [2] https://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/how-climate-change-and-disease-helped-fall-rome-180967591/ https://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/how-climate-ch... [3] https://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2012/11/121109-maya-civilization-climate-change-belize-science/ https://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2012/11/121109-maya... [4] https://blogs.ei.columbia.edu/2017/09/26/climate-change-some-lessons-from-the-vikings/ https://blogs.ei.columbia.edu/2017/09/26/climate-change-some... [5] https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/monsoon-climate-change-chinese/ https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/monsoon-climate-c...

craftyguy 8y ago
In none of those cases were the effects global and permanent.
- mamon 8y ago
  I get the "global" part, but what makes you think the current climate change will be permanent?
  - 24gttghh 8y ago
    Permanent in terms of all the people who otherwise would remain alive, who instead will be dead.
- ThomPete 8y ago
  Climate change doesn't affect the world the same way globally and never have.
  - craftyguy 8y ago
    [citation needed, because fossil records seriously conflict with your statement]
xapata 8y ago
So, the evidence suggests climate change causes societal collapse?
- asabjorn 8y ago
  The evidence suggests that the parent commenter was wrong when indicating that the last significant climate change happened 125000 years ago.
  - SketchySeaBeast 8y ago
    No, the last time this earth was this hot was that long ago.
    - ThomPete 8y ago
      And yet life managed to persist despite being much more primitive.
      - senorjazz 8y ago
        yes "life" did. Lots didn't. If climate change ends up being the worst end of that reported of what "might" happen. Life would still survive. Millions / billions of humans will not.
        ThomPete 8y ago
        Primitive life. We are much better equipped to deal with it, that's the point. Again what are you basing the claims of millions/billions on cause it's certainly not science?
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plink 8y ago
Precisely. I couldn't agree with your point more wholeheartedly. Why, only last winter I solved my own personal encounter with climate change by playing the travel-insurance card when nature couldn't be counted on to guarantee my ski vacation. We as a society should buck up and similarly snap our fingers at this little bump in our existence. Show some fortitude, humans! Less hand wringing and more hand waving!
SketchySeaBeast 8y ago
And there are all small things. We have never had this much heat in the neolithic era. https://www.iflscience.com/plants-and-animals/last-time-earth-was-hot-hippos-lived-britain-s-130000-years-ago/ https://www.iflscience.com/plants-and-animals/last-time-eart... https://www.inquisitr.com/5111067/what-the-earth-was-like-the-last-time-it-was-this-hot/ https://www.inquisitr.com/5111067/what-the-earth-was-like-th... https://mashable.com/article/earth-warmest-temperatures-climate-change/#hKNvad3q2iqV https://mashable.com/article/earth-warmest-temperatures-clim...
- ThomPete 8y ago
  In much more primitive societies. Again what scientifically demonstrated (not speculated) consequences of climate change are you worried we can't deal with when it happens?
  - SketchySeaBeast 8y ago
    I think that millions of people running out of water due to glaciers disappearing could be a bit of an issue that will, at the very least cause massive social problems. How much of North America is reliant on glacier waters?
    - ThomPete 8y ago
      And this has been scientifically demonstrated or are you speculating? When will this happen?
      - SketchySeaBeast 8y ago
        Yes, the glaciers are disappearing. https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/the-rocky-mountains-largest-glaciers-are-melting-with-little-fanfare/ https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/the-rocky-mountai... https://abcnews.go.com/International/canadas-glaciers-shrink-70-percent-study/story?id=30140031 https://abcnews.go.com/International/canadas-glaciers-shrink... https://www.nationalgeographic.com/environment/global-warming/big-thaw/ https://www.nationalgeographic.com/environment/global-warmin... https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2017/may/11/us-glacier-national-park-is-losing-its-glaciers-with-just-26-of-150-left https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2017/may/11/us-glaci... https://www.independent.co.uk/environment/earth-ice-melting-glaciers-disappearing-glacier-los-glaciares-national-park-us-geological-survey-a7730466.html https://www.independent.co.uk/environment/earth-ice-melting-... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Retreat_of_glaciers_since_1850 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Retreat_of_glaciers_since_1850

craftyguy 8y ago

In none of those cases were the effects global and permanent.

mamon 8y ago
I get the "global" part, but what makes you think the current climate change will be permanent?
- 24gttghh 8y ago
  Permanent in terms of all the people who otherwise would remain alive, who instead will be dead.
ThomPete 8y ago
Climate change doesn't affect the world the same way globally and never have.
- craftyguy 8y ago
  [citation needed, because fossil records seriously conflict with your statement]

xapata 8y ago

So, the evidence suggests climate change causes societal collapse?

asabjorn 8y ago
The evidence suggests that the parent commenter was wrong when indicating that the last significant climate change happened 125000 years ago.
- SketchySeaBeast 8y ago
  No, the last time this earth was this hot was that long ago.
  - ThomPete 8y ago
    And yet life managed to persist despite being much more primitive.
    - senorjazz 8y ago
      yes "life" did. Lots didn't. If climate change ends up being the worst end of that reported of what "might" happen. Life would still survive. Millions / billions of humans will not.
      - ThomPete 8y ago
        Primitive life. We are much better equipped to deal with it, that's the point. Again what are you basing the claims of millions/billions on cause it's certainly not science?

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plink 8y ago

Precisely. I couldn't agree with your point more wholeheartedly. Why, only last winter I solved my own personal encounter with climate change by playing the travel-insurance card when nature couldn't be counted on to guarantee my ski vacation. We as a society should buck up and similarly snap our fingers at this little bump in our existence. Show some fortitude, humans! Less hand wringing and more hand waving!

SketchySeaBeast 8y ago

And there are all small things. We have never had this much heat in the neolithic era. https://www.iflscience.com/plants-and-animals/last-time-earth-was-hot-hippos-lived-britain-s-130000-years-ago/ https://www.iflscience.com/plants-and-animals/last-time-eart... https://www.inquisitr.com/5111067/what-the-earth-was-like-the-last-time-it-was-this-hot/ https://www.inquisitr.com/5111067/what-the-earth-was-like-th... https://mashable.com/article/earth-warmest-temperatures-climate-change/#hKNvad3q2iqV https://mashable.com/article/earth-warmest-temperatures-clim...

ThomPete 8y ago
In much more primitive societies. Again what scientifically demonstrated (not speculated) consequences of climate change are you worried we can't deal with when it happens?
- SketchySeaBeast 8y ago
  I think that millions of people running out of water due to glaciers disappearing could be a bit of an issue that will, at the very least cause massive social problems. How much of North America is reliant on glacier waters?
  - ThomPete 8y ago
    And this has been scientifically demonstrated or are you speculating? When will this happen?
    - SketchySeaBeast 8y ago
      Yes, the glaciers are disappearing. https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/the-rocky-mountains-largest-glaciers-are-melting-with-little-fanfare/ https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/the-rocky-mountai... https://abcnews.go.com/International/canadas-glaciers-shrink-70-percent-study/story?id=30140031 https://abcnews.go.com/International/canadas-glaciers-shrink... https://www.nationalgeographic.com/environment/global-warming/big-thaw/ https://www.nationalgeographic.com/environment/global-warmin... https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2017/may/11/us-glacier-national-park-is-losing-its-glaciers-with-just-26-of-150-left https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2017/may/11/us-glaci... https://www.independent.co.uk/environment/earth-ice-melting-glaciers-disappearing-glacier-los-glaciares-national-park-us-geological-survey-a7730466.html https://www.independent.co.uk/environment/earth-ice-melting-... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Retreat_of_glaciers_since_1850 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Retreat_of_glaciers_since_1850