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Sure, the high salt concentration kills sea life for a couple hundred meters around where the waste comes out, but compared to the total size of the ocean, I'd

by csense 8y ago

Sure, the high salt concentration kills sea life for a couple hundred meters around where the waste comes out, but compared to the total size of the ocean, I'd imagine the affected area would be TINY. Once you get to a larger area it'd be totally diluted by the normal salinity seawater. Why don't you just build a pipeline to put the dead spot a couple miles away from shore, far away from economically important beaches, fisheries and reefs? Maybe have an additional pump to send fresh seawater into the areas of highest concentration, basically set up a countercurrent exchange gradient. I'm sure there are trivial, low-cost engineering solutions to this problem.

ndnxhs 8y ago
Or just mix it with more sea water before releasing it.
tda 8y ago
That is what I intuitively thought, until I learnt that salinity in the Persian Gulf (a huge body of water connected to the ocean) is up significantly due to desalination. Salinity has risen 50% over the last two decades. See e.g. https://financialtribune.com/articles/people-environment/43493/dispute-over-cause-of-persian-gulf-salinity https://financialtribune.com/articles/people-environment/434...
- D_Alex 8y ago
  Simple math will tell you that this increase cannot be due to desalination. Look: Volume of the Persian Gulf = Area (251,000 sq km) * average depth (50 m) = 12,000 cubic km approx. Total amount of desalinated water produced in the world, per annum = 86 million cu. m = 0.086 cu. km, So if all of the world's desalinated water was taken from the Persian Gulf, for 150 years, the salinity would only increase by 0.08*150/12000 = 0.1%, roughly. Edit: the entire article is bad, and the headline is sensationalist bullsh#t.
  - freeflight 8y ago
    It doesn't need to be responsible for all of the change, it might only be one among many contributing factors like climate change. In that context, it would be shortsighted and naive to pretend it couldn't have any impact at all even on bigger and longer scales.
  - tda 8y ago
    Always good to do some math. I double checked your input figure, and that should be per day, not per year. So 365 times as high. Other assumptions being the same that would give 0.2% rise per year, or 4% in twenty years. Not 50%, but not insignificant.
    - D_Alex 8y ago
      You are right, thanks for pointing this out. I hate making mistakes like that.
- pwagland 8y ago
  Except that the article you link to explicitly states two opposing theories as to why the salinity is so high, and has risen so much. The two competing theories seem to be 1. desalination and 2. climate change causing excessive evaporation.

by csense 8y ago

ndnxhs 8y ago

Or just mix it with more sea water before releasing it.

tda 8y ago

That is what I intuitively thought, until I learnt that salinity in the Persian Gulf (a huge body of water connected to the ocean) is up significantly due to desalination. Salinity has risen 50% over the last two decades. See e.g. https://financialtribune.com/articles/people-environment/43493/dispute-over-cause-of-persian-gulf-salinity https://financialtribune.com/articles/people-environment/434...

D_Alex 8y ago
Simple math will tell you that this increase cannot be due to desalination. Look: Volume of the Persian Gulf = Area (251,000 sq km) * average depth (50 m) = 12,000 cubic km approx. Total amount of desalinated water produced in the world, per annum = 86 million cu. m = 0.086 cu. km, So if all of the world's desalinated water was taken from the Persian Gulf, for 150 years, the salinity would only increase by 0.08*150/12000 = 0.1%, roughly. Edit: the entire article is bad, and the headline is sensationalist bullsh#t.
- freeflight 8y ago
  It doesn't need to be responsible for all of the change, it might only be one among many contributing factors like climate change. In that context, it would be shortsighted and naive to pretend it couldn't have any impact at all even on bigger and longer scales.
- tda 8y ago
  Always good to do some math. I double checked your input figure, and that should be per day, not per year. So 365 times as high. Other assumptions being the same that would give 0.2% rise per year, or 4% in twenty years. Not 50%, but not insignificant.
  - D_Alex 8y ago
    You are right, thanks for pointing this out. I hate making mistakes like that.
pwagland 8y ago
Except that the article you link to explicitly states two opposing theories as to why the salinity is so high, and has risen so much. The two competing theories seem to be 1. desalination and 2. climate change causing excessive evaporation.