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> Instead I would argue that the nature of the corruption has everything to do with the ideological foundations of said system. How so? Is corruption different

by maratd 8y ago

> Instead I would argue that the nature of the corruption has everything to do with the ideological foundations of said system. How so? Is corruption different somehow depending on the ideological foundations of the system? Corruption is corruption. Every system has rules. When you subvert those rules for personal gain, that's corruption.

coldtea 8y ago
>How so? Is corruption different somehow depending on the ideological foundations of the system? Of course. Different systems enable, empower, and encourage, different types of corruption. (Corruption being an abstract word, in programming terms there's no corruption "class", just corruption instances. So the nature of those corruption instances depend on the classes defined in the program -e.g. capitalism.c- you're running...). (And of course share some basic corruption types, present in all societies/systems, e.g. theft -- the POSIX of corruption).
- maratd 8y ago
  We're now pretty deep in this thread and you still haven't given a single example?
  - coldtea 8y ago
    We've started the thread with concrete examples... Check the @pjc50, @Traster etc comments at the top. And @humanrebar already put this in abstract form: "It's worth noting that luminary capitalists like Adam Smith were very much concerned with privately enabled rent seekers in addition to government enabled ones"
    - maratd 8y ago
      > Check the @pjc50, @Traster etc comments at the top. Those are specific examples of corruption here in the US. Are you asserting that you wouldn't be able to find the same corruption, for example, in China? Please provide a single example of corruption that can occur under capitalism, but wouldn't occur under another economic system. Because I'm asserting they do not exist. > And @humanrebar already put this in abstract form: "It's worth noting that luminary capitalists like Adam Smith were very much concerned with privately enabled rent seekers in addition to government enabled ones" Yes, he was perfectly right to. There are always private parties. Even under communism.

by maratd 8y ago

coldtea 8y ago

>How so? Is corruption different somehow depending on the ideological foundations of the system? Of course. Different systems enable, empower, and encourage, different types of corruption. (Corruption being an abstract word, in programming terms there's no corruption "class", just corruption instances. So the nature of those corruption instances depend on the classes defined in the program -e.g. capitalism.c- you're running...). (And of course share some basic corruption types, present in all societies/systems, e.g. theft -- the POSIX of corruption).

maratd 8y ago
We're now pretty deep in this thread and you still haven't given a single example?
- coldtea 8y ago
  We've started the thread with concrete examples... Check the @pjc50, @Traster etc comments at the top. And @humanrebar already put this in abstract form: "It's worth noting that luminary capitalists like Adam Smith were very much concerned with privately enabled rent seekers in addition to government enabled ones"
  - maratd 8y ago
    > Check the @pjc50, @Traster etc comments at the top. Those are specific examples of corruption here in the US. Are you asserting that you wouldn't be able to find the same corruption, for example, in China? Please provide a single example of corruption that can occur under capitalism, but wouldn't occur under another economic system. Because I'm asserting they do not exist. > And @humanrebar already put this in abstract form: "It's worth noting that luminary capitalists like Adam Smith were very much concerned with privately enabled rent seekers in addition to government enabled ones" Yes, he was perfectly right to. There are always private parties. Even under communism.