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But for the non-car enthusiast, Toyota still dominates. Its almost a multigenerational "meme" in my family to buy Toyota. So, while they might be pissing off t

by tjr225 8y ago

But for the non-car enthusiast, Toyota still dominates. Its almost a multigenerational "meme" in my family to buy Toyota. So, while they might be pissing off the niche enthusiast community, they're still winning for people who want an affordable, dependable car, which is most people. That said it is a bit disappointing.

mulmen 8y ago
Sure but what does that have to do with the Supra? Why even bother releasing this? It’s an objectively bad car. It’s not a halo car because none of it is Toyota. At least when you buy a Chevy Bolt you can tell yourself it’s from the same people who make the Corvette. This is just a rebranded BMW. It’s like Toyota is rubbing in the fact they only make bland toasters.
- Cookingboy 8y ago
  >It’s an objectively bad car. How is it an objectively bad car? Have you driven it? All the early impressions are quite positive and you can argue however you want it not being a Supra (it's also much cheaper than the old A80), but you literally cannot call it objectively bad without actually mentioning why. It looks good inside out, is priced reasonably, seems to have a good chassis tuning and is fairly quick with a great engine, so what's wrong with it?
- tjr225 8y ago
  I'm not speaking of the Supra - only of the claim that Toyota is a shell of its former self. I don't think the Toyota is bad, and I think they're doing quite well at what they're good at, even if it pisses car enthusiasts, such as myself or yourself, off.
  - mulmen 8y ago
    Toyota is a shell of its former self because it stopped building interesting cars. They’re fine appliances but it’s nothing like the madness they were managing to pull off in the 90s.
    - tjr225 8y ago
      Right, but they were still building appliances in the 90s. And they're still building appliances now, presumably because they realized that selling dependable, affordable cars/trucks/suvs to everyone would put them in the dominant position that they are in now, rather than catering to handful of enthusiasts. Toyota is a wildly succesfuly auto manufacturer. You could argue that if they took literally any other course than the one that they have they would be worse of than they currently are...even if their actions don't meet your specific desires. Please don't get me wrong, I wish Toyota were making the cars you want, but they are doing quite well and lots of people are happy to be Toyota customers...maybe just not people like you.
      - mulmen 8y ago
        In the 90s they were building appliances and Supras and MR-2s and Celica GT-Fours. Now they are just building appliances. This is what I’m getting at. The soul they lost was the ability to make a sports/halo car that is even remotely compelling. From a business perspective that makes total sense. But it doesn’t excite anybody and that’s what makes them a shell of their former glory.

by tjr225 8y ago

mulmen 8y ago

Sure but what does that have to do with the Supra? Why even bother releasing this? It’s an objectively bad car. It’s not a halo car because none of it is Toyota. At least when you buy a Chevy Bolt you can tell yourself it’s from the same people who make the Corvette. This is just a rebranded BMW. It’s like Toyota is rubbing in the fact they only make bland toasters.

Cookingboy 8y ago
>It’s an objectively bad car. How is it an objectively bad car? Have you driven it? All the early impressions are quite positive and you can argue however you want it not being a Supra (it's also much cheaper than the old A80), but you literally cannot call it objectively bad without actually mentioning why. It looks good inside out, is priced reasonably, seems to have a good chassis tuning and is fairly quick with a great engine, so what's wrong with it?
tjr225 8y ago
I'm not speaking of the Supra - only of the claim that Toyota is a shell of its former self. I don't think the Toyota is bad, and I think they're doing quite well at what they're good at, even if it pisses car enthusiasts, such as myself or yourself, off.
- mulmen 8y ago
  Toyota is a shell of its former self because it stopped building interesting cars. They’re fine appliances but it’s nothing like the madness they were managing to pull off in the 90s.
  - tjr225 8y ago
    Right, but they were still building appliances in the 90s. And they're still building appliances now, presumably because they realized that selling dependable, affordable cars/trucks/suvs to everyone would put them in the dominant position that they are in now, rather than catering to handful of enthusiasts. Toyota is a wildly succesfuly auto manufacturer. You could argue that if they took literally any other course than the one that they have they would be worse of than they currently are...even if their actions don't meet your specific desires. Please don't get me wrong, I wish Toyota were making the cars you want, but they are doing quite well and lots of people are happy to be Toyota customers...maybe just not people like you.
    - mulmen 8y ago
      In the 90s they were building appliances and Supras and MR-2s and Celica GT-Fours. Now they are just building appliances. This is what I’m getting at. The soul they lost was the ability to make a sports/halo car that is even remotely compelling. From a business perspective that makes total sense. But it doesn’t excite anybody and that’s what makes them a shell of their former glory.