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I guess one thing that many people are missing is why the "leave" vote won in the first place. If Europe is so great why did some people had the desire to leav

I guess one thing that many people are missing is why the "leave" vote won in the first place. If Europe is so great why did some people had the desire to leave it? Surely they were not all brainwashed or lobotomized? The EU is now trying to make the UK pay an extraordinary price in order to warn the other countries that leaving the EU is not a choice to be taken lightly. This kind of technique is known as bullying and that's as simple as it gets. If the EU leaders were smart they would have used this opportunity to try to reform the EU and make it into what they promised their citizens. There was a time when politicians said that the EU was going to bring prosperity, safety and so on and so forth? Where are all those promises now? The EU has had low economic growth for the last 15 years, high unemployment, flooded by migrants, non-stop terrorist attack, an ever smaller middle class, and ever-increasing taxes that are used to pay the salaries of technocrats like Juncker who was one of the guys who organized fiscal evasion on a scale never imagined. Who is this guy by the way? He is not even fucking elected yet somehow he represents Europe? Europe is not the democratic utopia that was sold to the people. It certainly has not delivered on its promises and now it faces a backlash from its citizens. I hope Brexit happens because if it succeeds it will show that another way is possible. European technocrats can eat my shorts!

kabacha 8y ago
> The EU has had low economic growth for the last 15 years, high unemployment, flooded by migrants, non-stop terrorist attack > NON-STOP TERRORIST ATTACKS Lol, you lost any credibility you had after this sentence. Go back under your bridge, troll.
madaxe_again 8y ago
Flooded by migrants, eh? Did they come in a wave? A tsunami? Did their little beady rat-like eyes and their smell offend you? Dress it up all you like, but you’ve just broadcast “I’m a xenophobe” loud and proud.
- marliechiller 8y ago
  thats quite a stance. Like it or not, there is a huge influx of migrants into the EU. Acknowledging this does not make one a xenophobe and labelling someone with that opinion causes all sorts of divisions and further issues. In fact, your rhetoric is actually one of the main drivers spurring vote leave. People with valid opinions being labelled as racist only further entrenches their beliefs that they are not being listened to
  - madaxe_again 8y ago
    So, what’s your objection to migrants then? Is it the fallacy that they take jobs by having a strong work ethic, or is it the fallacy that they sponge off the state because they’re lazy? Or is it just because they’re different?
mschuetz 8y ago
> The EU is now trying to make the UK pay an extraordinary price in order to warn the other countries that leaving the EU is not a choice to be taken lightly. No, the EU is showing the UK that it can't cherry pick all the advantages without shouldering any of the responsibilities. > It certainly has not delivered on its promises and now it faces a backlash from its citizens. It absolutely delivered on a great amount of promises and did an excellent job of unifying the bargaining power of its individual states on a world scale. Not saying that there aren't any issues, but we'd be so much worse off without the union. Using some parts that didn't work out well as a reason to shun the EU is like shooting yourself in the foot because your toe hurts.
brynjolf 8y ago
Change comes from within, not from arrogant temper tantrums. EU is not going to be able to convince a country that leaves on a whim. For God's sake what is EU is the second most Google thing in the UK right now behind what's Brexit. It wasn't a very informed deliberate decision.

kabacha 8y ago

> The EU has had low economic growth for the last 15 years, high unemployment, flooded by migrants, non-stop terrorist attack > NON-STOP TERRORIST ATTACKS Lol, you lost any credibility you had after this sentence. Go back under your bridge, troll.

madaxe_again 8y ago

Flooded by migrants, eh? Did they come in a wave? A tsunami? Did their little beady rat-like eyes and their smell offend you? Dress it up all you like, but you’ve just broadcast “I’m a xenophobe” loud and proud.

marliechiller 8y ago
thats quite a stance. Like it or not, there is a huge influx of migrants into the EU. Acknowledging this does not make one a xenophobe and labelling someone with that opinion causes all sorts of divisions and further issues. In fact, your rhetoric is actually one of the main drivers spurring vote leave. People with valid opinions being labelled as racist only further entrenches their beliefs that they are not being listened to
- madaxe_again 8y ago
  So, what’s your objection to migrants then? Is it the fallacy that they take jobs by having a strong work ethic, or is it the fallacy that they sponge off the state because they’re lazy? Or is it just because they’re different?

mschuetz 8y ago

> The EU is now trying to make the UK pay an extraordinary price in order to warn the other countries that leaving the EU is not a choice to be taken lightly. No, the EU is showing the UK that it can't cherry pick all the advantages without shouldering any of the responsibilities. > It certainly has not delivered on its promises and now it faces a backlash from its citizens. It absolutely delivered on a great amount of promises and did an excellent job of unifying the bargaining power of its individual states on a world scale. Not saying that there aren't any issues, but we'd be so much worse off without the union. Using some parts that didn't work out well as a reason to shun the EU is like shooting yourself in the foot because your toe hurts.

brynjolf 8y ago

Change comes from within, not from arrogant temper tantrums. EU is not going to be able to convince a country that leaves on a whim. For God's sake what is EU is the second most Google thing in the UK right now behind what's Brexit. It wasn't a very informed deliberate decision.