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The original intent? What original intent was that? Brexit was always light on detail, and that is coming home to roost. When pressed, most Brexit supporters I'

by dTal 8y ago

The original intent? What original intent was that? Brexit was always light on detail, and that is coming home to roost. When pressed, most Brexit supporters I've spoken to show absolutely no interest in the dismal nitty gritty of politics, preferring to spout shallow platitudes like "why can't they just get on with it". The silence from chief Brexiteers Nigel Farage and Boris Johnson has been profoundly deafening.

madaxe_again 8y ago
People were promised a pogrom against immigrants and Muslims, and are getting antsy that they haven’t been allowed to start deporting and disappearing people yet. That’s what they want to get on with - it seems to be the sole unifying factor between pro-brexit factions.
patates 8y ago
I'm not at all knowledgeable about the situation in the UK so I searched for Nigel Farage and this came up: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pIhPlyG96zk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pIhPlyG96zk It felt like he was trying to avoid the consequences of the actions of "Brexiteers" like himself. But he is definitely not silent. There's that.
TheGrumpyBrit 8y ago
There was no need for detail, because the WTO already provides a framework for trade agreements. That was the assumed state people voted on - talk of a deal came afterwards, and was considered by many to be an attempt to do "Brexit in name only", causing a situation where we're still obligated to the EU but no longer have any MEPs.
- gambiting 8y ago
  >>That was the assumed state people voted on I can't believe anyone would make such an assumption. I know some people who 1) voted leave 2) are perfectly aware that under WTO rules their businesses would literally have to close because they trade with EU and their European partners won't accept a ~20% hike on the price of British products due to non-EU custom duties. They all wanted out of EU because they don't like the immigrants, because they think Brussels has too much power, but they all wanted easy trade with the EU. WTO trade is not what they voted for.
  - robertony 8y ago
    The "leavers" you talk to are pretty different from the leavers I talk to.
    - gambiting 8y ago
      Well of course, after all there are millions of them so I'm sure it's relatively easy to find people from any part of the "leaver" spectrum - from people who knew exactly what WTO is and are happy with it, to people who voted leave because they don't like the Polish shops on their street. There isn't a single one reason why people voted leave.
- rndmio 8y ago
  Stop trying to gaslight people with this garbage, it was never true that falling back to WTO rules was an intended destination after Brexit.
- kitd 8y ago
  The WTO provides a loose foundation for trade without agreements, and guidance on how agreements can be reached. Trade without agreements is subject to tariffs and major restrictions severe enough to cause serious economic damage. Agreeing FTAs can take years, hence the need for a transition period until one is agreed between UK & EU. What May did was entirely consistent with trying to achieve the Brexit that was voted for.

by dTal 8y ago

madaxe_again 8y ago

People were promised a pogrom against immigrants and Muslims, and are getting antsy that they haven’t been allowed to start deporting and disappearing people yet. That’s what they want to get on with - it seems to be the sole unifying factor between pro-brexit factions.

patates 8y ago

I'm not at all knowledgeable about the situation in the UK so I searched for Nigel Farage and this came up: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pIhPlyG96zk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pIhPlyG96zk It felt like he was trying to avoid the consequences of the actions of "Brexiteers" like himself. But he is definitely not silent. There's that.

TheGrumpyBrit 8y ago

There was no need for detail, because the WTO already provides a framework for trade agreements. That was the assumed state people voted on - talk of a deal came afterwards, and was considered by many to be an attempt to do "Brexit in name only", causing a situation where we're still obligated to the EU but no longer have any MEPs.

gambiting 8y ago
>>That was the assumed state people voted on I can't believe anyone would make such an assumption. I know some people who 1) voted leave 2) are perfectly aware that under WTO rules their businesses would literally have to close because they trade with EU and their European partners won't accept a ~20% hike on the price of British products due to non-EU custom duties. They all wanted out of EU because they don't like the immigrants, because they think Brussels has too much power, but they all wanted easy trade with the EU. WTO trade is not what they voted for.
- robertony 8y ago
  The "leavers" you talk to are pretty different from the leavers I talk to.
  - gambiting 8y ago
    Well of course, after all there are millions of them so I'm sure it's relatively easy to find people from any part of the "leaver" spectrum - from people who knew exactly what WTO is and are happy with it, to people who voted leave because they don't like the Polish shops on their street. There isn't a single one reason why people voted leave.
rndmio 8y ago
Stop trying to gaslight people with this garbage, it was never true that falling back to WTO rules was an intended destination after Brexit.
kitd 8y ago
The WTO provides a loose foundation for trade without agreements, and guidance on how agreements can be reached. Trade without agreements is subject to tariffs and major restrictions severe enough to cause serious economic damage. Agreeing FTAs can take years, hence the need for a transition period until one is agreed between UK & EU. What May did was entirely consistent with trying to achieve the Brexit that was voted for.