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> Remain was what it says on the tin stay in the EU and any desired changes happen within the system of the EU. That's simply not true. Both remain and leave c

> Remain was what it says on the tin stay in the EU and any desired changes happen within the system of the EU. That's simply not true. Both remain and leave campaigns were backed up by dubious or misleading claims about what the future would look like if the UK voted to leave the EU. Those backing remain claimed Brexit would cause financial instability and require an emergency budget, that unemployment would rise, that NHS finances would be undermined, that families would be £4,300 worse off, that Scotland would immediately leave the UK, etc. David Cameron said he would stay on as Prime Minister in the event of a leave vote. None of these things happened.

macintux 8y ago
> None of these things happened. Well, Brexit hasn’t occurred yet, so only Cameron’s departure has put the lie to any of Remain’s arguments.
- djmobley 8y ago
  To be clear, the scare-mongering implied all these things would happen near enough immediately following a leave vote.
  - rtkwe 8y ago
    To be double clear a lot of those were also long term consequences too, eg: the 4300 number was by 2030.
    - djmobley 8y ago
      To be triple clear, any sort of claim about about economic performance 14 years in the future is utter nonsense.
rtkwe 8y ago
I think it's too early to say that none of those bad outcomes have happened because the UK hasn't actually left yet. The actual policy though under remain was known, leave was just a cloud of displeasure at the EU with no idea what the actual policy would be. My point isn't about what either side claimed would happen it's that the policy each vote would result in was solid on the remain side and completely fluid on the leave side. Regardless of bad claims by either side that fact makes me open to a second referendum.
rbanffy 8y ago
It was always clear the UK would never get a better deal than Norway. At no time an EU officer ever claimed anything different. The EU would never give the UK the Brexit as it was sold by the UKIP crowd because, if they complied, pretty much every country would want its own *xit deal and the EU would collapse as an empty balloon.

macintux 8y ago

> None of these things happened. Well, Brexit hasn’t occurred yet, so only Cameron’s departure has put the lie to any of Remain’s arguments.

djmobley 8y ago
To be clear, the scare-mongering implied all these things would happen near enough immediately following a leave vote.
- rtkwe 8y ago
  To be double clear a lot of those were also long term consequences too, eg: the 4300 number was by 2030.
  - djmobley 8y ago
    To be triple clear, any sort of claim about about economic performance 14 years in the future is utter nonsense.

rtkwe 8y ago

I think it's too early to say that none of those bad outcomes have happened because the UK hasn't actually left yet. The actual policy though under remain was known, leave was just a cloud of displeasure at the EU with no idea what the actual policy would be. My point isn't about what either side claimed would happen it's that the policy each vote would result in was solid on the remain side and completely fluid on the leave side. Regardless of bad claims by either side that fact makes me open to a second referendum.

rbanffy 8y ago

It was always clear the UK would never get a better deal than Norway. At no time an EU officer ever claimed anything different. The EU would never give the UK the Brexit as it was sold by the UKIP crowd because, if they complied, pretty much every country would want its own *xit deal and the EU would collapse as an empty balloon.