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But only if Brexit isn’t being done, right? Not living in the UK, but I would guess that as stupid as Remainers might think Brexit is and Brexiters are, it‘s a

But only if Brexit isn’t being done, right? Not living in the UK, but I would guess that as stupid as Remainers might think Brexit is and Brexiters are, it‘s a whole other ballgame to assume that because they are stupid you are entitled to nullify a vote. And because of that, even though a lot in the EU are rooting for it, I doubt a second referendum is going to take place. Even die-hard remainers would ask themselves: Is being part of the EU, is being ecomically better off (or at least more stable in the near-term) worth to taint our democracy (or as you point out even go to riots and worse)?

pjc50 8y ago
Let them riot. Then we'll see how many of the alleged people actually exist. (There are not going to be pro Brexit riots outside the existing far right EDL and other small groups.)
- mattmanser 8y ago
  The irony that you're replying to my original premise that "these people are deliberately ignored to make it seem like they don't exist" is not lost on me. Do you really think that 52% of the UK is just alleged to exist?
  - pjc50 8y ago
    52% of the population voted for some ill specified leave two years ago. Only a very tiny fraction of that will riot if they now don't get it. I agree that far too much of the UK is marginalized, but Brexit is not going to un-marginalize them!
  - DanBC 8y ago
    > Do you really think that 52% of the UK is just alleged to exist? 52% of the people who voted. That doesn't include people who could but did'nt vote, and it doesn't include anyone under the age of 18 at the time. It's pretty far from 52% of the population.
DanBC 8y ago
But the second vote isn't about nullifying the first. We accept the first vote: people want brexit. They don't know what deal the UK might get, and they think we can continue with no free movement, with full trade, and without being bound by EU law. Now we know what brexit looks like it's perfectly fine to say "we're going to have to keep free movement, we won't have full trade, and we're going to have to maintain these EU laws if we want any trade at all: do you still want brexit?"

pjc50 8y ago

Let them riot. Then we'll see how many of the alleged people actually exist. (There are not going to be pro Brexit riots outside the existing far right EDL and other small groups.)

mattmanser 8y ago
The irony that you're replying to my original premise that "these people are deliberately ignored to make it seem like they don't exist" is not lost on me. Do you really think that 52% of the UK is just alleged to exist?
- pjc50 8y ago
  52% of the population voted for some ill specified leave two years ago. Only a very tiny fraction of that will riot if they now don't get it. I agree that far too much of the UK is marginalized, but Brexit is not going to un-marginalize them!
- DanBC 8y ago
  > Do you really think that 52% of the UK is just alleged to exist? 52% of the people who voted. That doesn't include people who could but did'nt vote, and it doesn't include anyone under the age of 18 at the time. It's pretty far from 52% of the population.

DanBC 8y ago

But the second vote isn't about nullifying the first. We accept the first vote: people want brexit. They don't know what deal the UK might get, and they think we can continue with no free movement, with full trade, and without being bound by EU law. Now we know what brexit looks like it's perfectly fine to say "we're going to have to keep free movement, we won't have full trade, and we're going to have to maintain these EU laws if we want any trade at all: do you still want brexit?"