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I read your post as quite confident, but a lot of people were equally confident that the original referendum would be a strong Remain victory. What are you basi

I read your post as quite confident, but a lot of people were equally confident that the original referendum would be a strong Remain victory. What are you basing these predictions on?

jandrese 8y ago
It seems like the second referendum will also fail if it still includes the "allow brown people into your country" part of being an EU member.
- ivraatiems 8y ago
  Are there polls or other evidence supporting that?
  - jandrese 8y ago
    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jun/29/frenzy-hatred-brexit-racism-abuse-referendum-celebratory-lasting-damage https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jun/29/frenzy-hatr... https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2016/06/25/the-uncomfortable-question-was-the-brexit-vote-based-on-racism/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2016/06/25... https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/01419870.2017.1361544 https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/01419870.2017.13... http://blogs.lse.ac.uk/brexit/2018/10/09/race-class-and-brexit-how-did-we-get-here/ http://blogs.lse.ac.uk/brexit/2018/10/09/race-class-and-brex... https://www.football365.com/news/brexit-and-re-emergence-of-racism-is-no-coincidence https://www.football365.com/news/brexit-and-re-emergence-of-... It's basically the same thing that got Donald Trump elected. An endless parade of stories about how foreigners are making your life worse and the government is bending over backwards for them while you are out of a job. Propaganda works. Lies you want to hear get votes. Nuance does not.
    - JetSetWilly 8y ago
      None of those articles constitutes evidence, they are just opinions of people wanting to push that line. In reality people voted brexit for very many reasons, seeking to dismiss it all as racism is just a lazy way to feel superior.
- hardlianotion 8y ago
  That's pretty insulting to a major part of the population. I don't suppose you can justify your position?
- pjc50 8y ago
  There is of course no rule in the EU obliging countries to accept non-EU immigrants. It's the "allow Poles into your country" that some Brits are unwilling to accept.
  - jandrese 8y ago
    That's not what people were told though. This is an incredible wedge issue and the fact that people seem to be surprised about it suggests that they aren't paying attention. It's no coincidence that the stories about "economic refugees" were all over the place before the referendum. I mean obviously people were leaving Syria because they just wanted to take your job, there's no other reason.
Krasnol 8y ago
I'd say mainly for those reasons: 1) It was quite an embarrassment for all those young people who did not vote and will suffer now 2) the actual results of a Brexit are known now while the bus-advertisement that was supposed to be the benefits of a Brexit are gone and have not been replaced by anything Also all those news about businesses reorienting towards Europe and away from UK, Ireland, people applying for EU countries citizenship and so on. The real results became real while the people who are still for a Brexit have shown their ugly faces. I'm pretty optimistic about the results of a second referendum. That's why the Brexiteers will never allow it.

I read your post as quite confident, but a lot of people were equally confident that the original referendum would be a strong Remain victory. What are you basing these predictions on?

jandrese 8y ago

It seems like the second referendum will also fail if it still includes the "allow brown people into your country" part of being an EU member.

ivraatiems 8y ago
Are there polls or other evidence supporting that?
- jandrese 8y ago
  https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jun/29/frenzy-hatred-brexit-racism-abuse-referendum-celebratory-lasting-damage https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jun/29/frenzy-hatr... https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2016/06/25/the-uncomfortable-question-was-the-brexit-vote-based-on-racism/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2016/06/25... https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/01419870.2017.1361544 https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/01419870.2017.13... http://blogs.lse.ac.uk/brexit/2018/10/09/race-class-and-brexit-how-did-we-get-here/ http://blogs.lse.ac.uk/brexit/2018/10/09/race-class-and-brex... https://www.football365.com/news/brexit-and-re-emergence-of-racism-is-no-coincidence https://www.football365.com/news/brexit-and-re-emergence-of-... It's basically the same thing that got Donald Trump elected. An endless parade of stories about how foreigners are making your life worse and the government is bending over backwards for them while you are out of a job. Propaganda works. Lies you want to hear get votes. Nuance does not.
  - JetSetWilly 8y ago
    None of those articles constitutes evidence, they are just opinions of people wanting to push that line. In reality people voted brexit for very many reasons, seeking to dismiss it all as racism is just a lazy way to feel superior.
hardlianotion 8y ago
That's pretty insulting to a major part of the population. I don't suppose you can justify your position?
pjc50 8y ago
There is of course no rule in the EU obliging countries to accept non-EU immigrants. It's the "allow Poles into your country" that some Brits are unwilling to accept.
- jandrese 8y ago
  That's not what people were told though. This is an incredible wedge issue and the fact that people seem to be surprised about it suggests that they aren't paying attention. It's no coincidence that the stories about "economic refugees" were all over the place before the referendum. I mean obviously people were leaving Syria because they just wanted to take your job, there's no other reason.

Krasnol 8y ago

I'd say mainly for those reasons: 1) It was quite an embarrassment for all those young people who did not vote and will suffer now 2) the actual results of a Brexit are known now while the bus-advertisement that was supposed to be the benefits of a Brexit are gone and have not been replaced by anything Also all those news about businesses reorienting towards Europe and away from UK, Ireland, people applying for EU countries citizenship and so on. The real results became real while the people who are still for a Brexit have shown their ugly faces. I'm pretty optimistic about the results of a second referendum. That's why the Brexiteers will never allow it.