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To be honest this is just a repeat of two years ago, apart from now it's May not getting her way instead of Cameron. The whole thing is such a colossal failure

To be honest this is just a repeat of two years ago, apart from now it's May not getting her way instead of Cameron. The whole thing is such a colossal failure that they need to just to give up and stop acting like this is the 'will of the people' - as if people don't change their mind when presented with the facts or something.

DanBC 8y ago
"Tea?" "OK, go on." "There's no kettle so I'm burning the house down to heat water." "Now wait a…" "Shut up, I've a clear mandate for tea." https://twitter.com/LouiseJJohnson/status/829617043582369792 https://twitter.com/LouiseJJohnson/status/829617043582369792
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- mattmanser 8y ago
  There's elsewhere in the thread where people discuss knowing Leave voters and just how strongly they feel about it. Some comments are even talking about civil war on the mainland if we back out of it. I feel the British media have gone back to hiding significant swathes of the UK from being shown on screen or print/online, so us more liberal types are deluding ourselves that there's some sort of consensus about a 2nd referendum. I still remember sitting there the day after the referendum and thinking "these people on TV are like they're from my home town. I've never seen people like this on TV before". I haven't seen them again.
  - dijit 8y ago
    It’s almost comical (if it wasn’t so pathetically sad) how divided and polarised the country is. My mother and her entire extended friend circles are aggressively pro-leave, even tofting sound-bites at me. A little further south/east (mum lives in Coventry) in Kettering my friend is pro-leave, but not aggressively so, his soon-to-be wife is remain, but they tout their points and agree to disagree. Further south in London people are so pro-remain it’s unfathomable that anyone would leave, if you want to leave then you’re probably very stupid. I’m pro-remain (although I started as pro-leave before I tried to look into arguments to support me and found - very clearly - that I was wrong) but the country is so passionately divided that I can’t help but think that there really is going to be some kind of rioting in the near future.
    - woodpanel 8y ago
      But only if Brexit isn’t being done, right? Not living in the UK, but I would guess that as stupid as Remainers might think Brexit is and Brexiters are, it‘s a whole other ballgame to assume that because they are stupid you are entitled to nullify a vote. And because of that, even though a lot in the EU are rooting for it, I doubt a second referendum is going to take place. Even die-hard remainers would ask themselves: Is being part of the EU, is being ecomically better off (or at least more stable in the near-term) worth to taint our democracy (or as you point out even go to riots and worse)?
      - pjc50 8y ago
        Let them riot. Then we'll see how many of the alleged people actually exist. (There are not going to be pro Brexit riots outside the existing far right EDL and other small groups.)
        mattmanser 8y ago
        The irony that you're replying to my original premise that "these people are deliberately ignored to make it seem like they don't exist" is not lost on me. Do you really think that 52% of the UK is just alleged to exist?
        pjc50 8y ago
        52% of the population voted for some ill specified leave two years ago. Only a very tiny fraction of that will riot if they now don't get it. I agree that far too much of the UK is marginalized, but Brexit is not going to un-marginalize them!
        DanBC 8y ago
        > Do you really think that 52% of the UK is just alleged to exist? 52% of the people who voted. That doesn't include people who could but did'nt vote, and it doesn't include anyone under the age of 18 at the time. It's pretty far from 52% of the population.
      - 8y ago
SlowRobotAhead 8y ago
>stop acting like this is the 'will of the people' Well, unlike how people like to complain about US politics where it's a representative democracy... Brexit was a real democracy, and you can remind me if you like how that vote worked out... Sorry, but you don't get to wave away "will of the people" as nonsense when the majority did vote for it and majority system is what they used. It's only your prerogative that now straight Democracy is bad because you don't agree with the result.
- panarky 8y ago
  >> as if people don't change their mind when presented with the facts or something

DanBC 8y ago

"Tea?" "OK, go on." "There's no kettle so I'm burning the house down to heat water." "Now wait a…" "Shut up, I've a clear mandate for tea." https://twitter.com/LouiseJJohnson/status/829617043582369792 https://twitter.com/LouiseJJohnson/status/829617043582369792

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mattmanser 8y ago
There's elsewhere in the thread where people discuss knowing Leave voters and just how strongly they feel about it. Some comments are even talking about civil war on the mainland if we back out of it. I feel the British media have gone back to hiding significant swathes of the UK from being shown on screen or print/online, so us more liberal types are deluding ourselves that there's some sort of consensus about a 2nd referendum. I still remember sitting there the day after the referendum and thinking "these people on TV are like they're from my home town. I've never seen people like this on TV before". I haven't seen them again.
- dijit 8y ago
  It’s almost comical (if it wasn’t so pathetically sad) how divided and polarised the country is. My mother and her entire extended friend circles are aggressively pro-leave, even tofting sound-bites at me. A little further south/east (mum lives in Coventry) in Kettering my friend is pro-leave, but not aggressively so, his soon-to-be wife is remain, but they tout their points and agree to disagree. Further south in London people are so pro-remain it’s unfathomable that anyone would leave, if you want to leave then you’re probably very stupid. I’m pro-remain (although I started as pro-leave before I tried to look into arguments to support me and found - very clearly - that I was wrong) but the country is so passionately divided that I can’t help but think that there really is going to be some kind of rioting in the near future.
  - woodpanel 8y ago
    But only if Brexit isn’t being done, right? Not living in the UK, but I would guess that as stupid as Remainers might think Brexit is and Brexiters are, it‘s a whole other ballgame to assume that because they are stupid you are entitled to nullify a vote. And because of that, even though a lot in the EU are rooting for it, I doubt a second referendum is going to take place. Even die-hard remainers would ask themselves: Is being part of the EU, is being ecomically better off (or at least more stable in the near-term) worth to taint our democracy (or as you point out even go to riots and worse)?
    - pjc50 8y ago
      Let them riot. Then we'll see how many of the alleged people actually exist. (There are not going to be pro Brexit riots outside the existing far right EDL and other small groups.)
      - mattmanser 8y ago
        The irony that you're replying to my original premise that "these people are deliberately ignored to make it seem like they don't exist" is not lost on me. Do you really think that 52% of the UK is just alleged to exist?
        pjc50 8y ago
        52% of the population voted for some ill specified leave two years ago. Only a very tiny fraction of that will riot if they now don't get it. I agree that far too much of the UK is marginalized, but Brexit is not going to un-marginalize them!
        DanBC 8y ago
        > Do you really think that 52% of the UK is just alleged to exist? 52% of the people who voted. That doesn't include people who could but did'nt vote, and it doesn't include anyone under the age of 18 at the time. It's pretty far from 52% of the population.
    - 8y ago

SlowRobotAhead 8y ago

>stop acting like this is the 'will of the people' Well, unlike how people like to complain about US politics where it's a representative democracy... Brexit was a real democracy, and you can remind me if you like how that vote worked out... Sorry, but you don't get to wave away "will of the people" as nonsense when the majority did vote for it and majority system is what they used. It's only your prerogative that now straight Democracy is bad because you don't agree with the result.

panarky 8y ago
>> as if people don't change their mind when presented with the facts or something