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It's an attack on the people who think call-outs are appropriate, which is overwhelmingly a left-leaning tool. In particular it's noteworthy that when the left

by geofft 8y ago

It's an attack on the people who think call-outs are appropriate, which is overwhelmingly a left-leaning tool. In particular it's noteworthy that when the left calls itself out, it reacts as the left desires (see Emily in this article, or Al Franken, or John Conyers, or ...), and when the left calls the right out, the right attacks the legitimacy of even being called out in the first place and starts making arguments about the "rule of law" because the law tends to be on the conservative side (since conservatives are, somewhat by definition, those who are on the side of what the law presently says). It's not new, and it's absolutely relevant context for this article.

eli_gottlieb 8y ago
Oh come on, that's just tribalistic ridiculousness. Leftists are just as capable of appealing to objective standards of justice as rightists -- and if we decide to "call-out" and expel everyone who tries, we're only shooting ourselves in the foot. >starts making arguments about the "rule of law" because the law tends to be on the conservative side I think that definition of "conservative" is too broad, since it encompasses left-liberal aspects of the law. For instance, Title IX is law, and means that universities (such as where I work) have strong codes of conduct and reporting for sexual harassment. >(since conservatives are, somewhat by definition, those who are on the side of what the law presently says). Again, being a conservative is a different thing from using the status-quo as a reference point, and in particular, the latter is a near-universal human trait across most behaviors.
duxup 8y ago
I mean by your description you can't call out call out culture without it being some partisan thing? That seems absurd.
- DoofusOfDeath 8y ago
  > In particular it's noteworthy that when the left calls itself out ... Happily, the GP's statement makes an empirical claim, so there's at least some hope of it being testable. That said, since the GP is making a questionable generalization about two large populations, it would be helpful it he/she provided a larger body of supporting examples.

by geofft 8y ago

eli_gottlieb 8y ago

Oh come on, that's just tribalistic ridiculousness. Leftists are just as capable of appealing to objective standards of justice as rightists -- and if we decide to "call-out" and expel everyone who tries, we're only shooting ourselves in the foot. >starts making arguments about the "rule of law" because the law tends to be on the conservative side I think that definition of "conservative" is too broad, since it encompasses left-liberal aspects of the law. For instance, Title IX is law, and means that universities (such as where I work) have strong codes of conduct and reporting for sexual harassment. >(since conservatives are, somewhat by definition, those who are on the side of what the law presently says). Again, being a conservative is a different thing from using the status-quo as a reference point, and in particular, the latter is a near-universal human trait across most behaviors.

duxup 8y ago

I mean by your description you can't call out call out culture without it being some partisan thing? That seems absurd.

DoofusOfDeath 8y ago
> In particular it's noteworthy that when the left calls itself out ... Happily, the GP's statement makes an empirical claim, so there's at least some hope of it being testable. That said, since the GP is making a questionable generalization about two large populations, it would be helpful it he/she provided a larger body of supporting examples.