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Our world is dying.

by crispinb 8y ago

Our world is dying.

King-Aaron 8y ago
The world isn't, but the ecosystem that allows us to be alive appears to be.
- stouset 8y ago
  To me, that’s the “our” in “our world”.
  - crispinb 8y ago
    Exactly.
  - shusson 8y ago
    If life started on the Earth, then we are just part of a process of a particular rock floating in space. There is no 'our' world and it is not dying.
    - ben_w 8y ago
      Are you objecting to “our” on the grounds that we didn’t build it? Because most people use “our house” to mean the one they occupy, not limiting it to only what they built.
      - shusson 8y ago
        > Are you objecting to “our” on the grounds that we didn’t build it I'm objecting that we own the Earth and that somehow we can kill it. > people use “our house” to mean the one they occupy, not limiting it to only what they built The Earth isn't being occupied by us, we are simply part of the Earth. So I don't mind the use of "our", but implying that we are killing the planet is the bit I think people should take a step back from and think about.
        crispinb 8y ago
        'Our' doesn't connote ownership. Our families are not owned by us. If anything the relationship is the other way around: we belong to the world that has formed us. > implying that we are killing the planet That would be a meaningless assertion. We our killing our world, which is a network of evolved complex living systems, not 'the planet'.
    - stouset 8y ago
      This is pointlessly pedantic. You know full well what the GP is trying to say, and you are being willfully obstinate by ignoring the obvious context. We are rendering the world uninhabitable for a frightening number of species—most likely including our own—through environmental collapse. Instead of bothering to discuss that point, you've decided to try and derail the conversation by playing semantics and arguing over the meaning of "destroy" and "our" and "planet". If you're not willing to or capable of engaging in these types of discussions in good faith, maybe Hacker News isn't the site for you.
- chakalakasp 8y ago
  “Fortunately, the house isn’t in fire, there’s just a 50 mile wide firestorm sweeping this way that will be here in a few minutes”
- 0xcafecafe 8y ago
  Exactly to quote George Carlin "The planet is not going anywhere, we are"

Our world is dying.

King-Aaron 8y ago

The world isn't, but the ecosystem that allows us to be alive appears to be.

stouset 8y ago
To me, that’s the “our” in “our world”.
- crispinb 8y ago
  Exactly.
- shusson 8y ago
  If life started on the Earth, then we are just part of a process of a particular rock floating in space. There is no 'our' world and it is not dying.
  - ben_w 8y ago
    Are you objecting to “our” on the grounds that we didn’t build it? Because most people use “our house” to mean the one they occupy, not limiting it to only what they built.
    - shusson 8y ago
      > Are you objecting to “our” on the grounds that we didn’t build it I'm objecting that we own the Earth and that somehow we can kill it. > people use “our house” to mean the one they occupy, not limiting it to only what they built The Earth isn't being occupied by us, we are simply part of the Earth. So I don't mind the use of "our", but implying that we are killing the planet is the bit I think people should take a step back from and think about.
      - crispinb 8y ago
        'Our' doesn't connote ownership. Our families are not owned by us. If anything the relationship is the other way around: we belong to the world that has formed us. > implying that we are killing the planet That would be a meaningless assertion. We our killing our world, which is a network of evolved complex living systems, not 'the planet'.
  - stouset 8y ago
    This is pointlessly pedantic. You know full well what the GP is trying to say, and you are being willfully obstinate by ignoring the obvious context. We are rendering the world uninhabitable for a frightening number of species—most likely including our own—through environmental collapse. Instead of bothering to discuss that point, you've decided to try and derail the conversation by playing semantics and arguing over the meaning of "destroy" and "our" and "planet". If you're not willing to or capable of engaging in these types of discussions in good faith, maybe Hacker News isn't the site for you.
chakalakasp 8y ago
“Fortunately, the house isn’t in fire, there’s just a 50 mile wide firestorm sweeping this way that will be here in a few minutes”
0xcafecafe 8y ago
Exactly to quote George Carlin "The planet is not going anywhere, we are"