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Yarvin's wikipedia page is worth a read: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curtis_Yarvin https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curtis_Yarvin

empath75 8y ago
I was hoping I’d never have to read about him again, personally. A pompous, racist windbag who has contributed nothing of value.
- froasty 8y ago
  And yet here you are, voluntarily, in a thread about Curtis Yarvin. What exactly does that make you?
  - PhasmaFelis 8y ago
    I'm not clear how "I wish this guy wasn't so influential" equates to "I should not talk about this guy." Ignoring problems does not make them go away.
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toufiqbarhamov 8y ago
Huh, I didn’t realize he was backed by Thiel, but I guess that really shouldn’t surprise me. What a waste of sequestered resources. The actual idea behind Urbit sounded like a sociopolitical thesis as written by a child, and it’s hard to see a loss here. I’m skeptical in general of technology that follows politics rather than the other way around.
PhasmaFelis 8y ago
> In Yarvin's view, inefficient, wasteful democratic governments should be replaced by sovereign joint-stock corporations whose shareholders, all property owners, elect an executive with plenary authority. The executive, unencumbered by liberal-democratic procedures, can rule efficiently. Huh. > He also disputes being an "outspoken advocate for slavery", but has argued that some races are more suited to slavery than others. (I followed up on the source for that, to see if he was misrepresented, and found the direct quote "We thus observe slavery not as a perversion, but as a natural relationship, like marriage.")
- YouAreGreat 8y ago
  > argued that some races are more suited to slavery than others > see if he was misrepresented Did you find out whether or not he was misrepresented?
  - PhasmaFelis 8y ago
    You don't think I might have mentioned it if he was? He says that people who are loyal, hardworking, and not too bright are best suited to being slaves, and it stands to reason that some races are more inclined towards those traits than others, and that probably includes Africans.
    - zozbot123 8y ago
      Of course, this is a nice way of saying that slavery doesn't make rational sense - that it's a case of pure "might makes right", exactly as common sense would suggest. Think about it - if your slaves are "loyal and hardworking", do you even need to enslave them by coercion? Of course not - they'll work for you voluntarily as long as you treat them in a way that they accept as fair! (And oftentimes - perhaps even most of the time - they turn out to be a lot brighter than you gave them credit for while treating them as mere slaves.) And if this is the best case, what about everyone else? No, what the slaveowner really dreams of is that he's going to control his slaves purely by their fear. And Moldbug is saying: "nah, that's not going to work. Deal with it." Way to miss the actual argument he's making, dude. You were not even on the same wavelength.
      - PhasmaFelis 8y ago
        > Of course, this is a nice way of saying that slavery doesn't make rational sense Have you read the post we're discussing?
        zozbot123 8y ago
        Of course I have - that's why I wrote the above. Moldbug may acknowledge that slavery seems to arise "naturally" in some circumstances, but he's not laboring under any delusion that what's "natural" - be it slavery or marriage - is per se good or desirable.

empath75 8y ago

I was hoping I’d never have to read about him again, personally. A pompous, racist windbag who has contributed nothing of value.

froasty 8y ago
And yet here you are, voluntarily, in a thread about Curtis Yarvin. What exactly does that make you?
- PhasmaFelis 8y ago
  I'm not clear how "I wish this guy wasn't so influential" equates to "I should not talk about this guy." Ignoring problems does not make them go away.
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toufiqbarhamov 8y ago

Huh, I didn’t realize he was backed by Thiel, but I guess that really shouldn’t surprise me. What a waste of sequestered resources. The actual idea behind Urbit sounded like a sociopolitical thesis as written by a child, and it’s hard to see a loss here. I’m skeptical in general of technology that follows politics rather than the other way around.

PhasmaFelis 8y ago

> In Yarvin's view, inefficient, wasteful democratic governments should be replaced by sovereign joint-stock corporations whose shareholders, all property owners, elect an executive with plenary authority. The executive, unencumbered by liberal-democratic procedures, can rule efficiently. Huh. > He also disputes being an "outspoken advocate for slavery", but has argued that some races are more suited to slavery than others. (I followed up on the source for that, to see if he was misrepresented, and found the direct quote "We thus observe slavery not as a perversion, but as a natural relationship, like marriage.")

YouAreGreat 8y ago
> argued that some races are more suited to slavery than others > see if he was misrepresented Did you find out whether or not he was misrepresented?
- PhasmaFelis 8y ago
  You don't think I might have mentioned it if he was? He says that people who are loyal, hardworking, and not too bright are best suited to being slaves, and it stands to reason that some races are more inclined towards those traits than others, and that probably includes Africans.
  - zozbot123 8y ago
    Of course, this is a nice way of saying that slavery doesn't make rational sense - that it's a case of pure "might makes right", exactly as common sense would suggest. Think about it - if your slaves are "loyal and hardworking", do you even need to enslave them by coercion? Of course not - they'll work for you voluntarily as long as you treat them in a way that they accept as fair! (And oftentimes - perhaps even most of the time - they turn out to be a lot brighter than you gave them credit for while treating them as mere slaves.) And if this is the best case, what about everyone else? No, what the slaveowner really dreams of is that he's going to control his slaves purely by their fear. And Moldbug is saying: "nah, that's not going to work. Deal with it." Way to miss the actual argument he's making, dude. You were not even on the same wavelength.
    - PhasmaFelis 8y ago
      > Of course, this is a nice way of saying that slavery doesn't make rational sense Have you read the post we're discussing?
      - zozbot123 8y ago
        Of course I have - that's why I wrote the above. Moldbug may acknowledge that slavery seems to arise "naturally" in some circumstances, but he's not laboring under any delusion that what's "natural" - be it slavery or marriage - is per se good or desirable.