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> You can't call a result significant if your methodology is to gradually lower the bar for "significant" until you get the result you wanted! This didn't happ

> You can't call a result significant if your methodology is to gradually lower the bar for "significant" until you get the result you wanted! This didn't happen. You're the one who has post hoc decided that there is some abstract bar of "significance" that they're moving up or down. The point is to publish absurd papers in ostensibly serious journals. There is not some absurdity equivalent to p < 0.05 that they manipulated. They just published absurd papers in ostensibly serious journals. It's not like the absurdity of Dog Rape Culture would be lessened if the first papers they submitted had been the output of /dev/random. > I don't think the authors claimed anything like that, where are you getting that? Their thesis was just that the content of the papers was absurd, not the times or credentials involved. I'm getting it from the literal facts of what happened. They are not trained in these fields, and papers they wrote were published in these journals. Therefore, the hoax shows that you do not need to be trained in these fields to publish in these journals.

fenomas 8y ago
> They just published absurd papers in ostensibly serious journals. You and I can say the papers were absurd, but an argument is only meaningful to the extent that it has persuasive power to someone who doesn't already agree with it. For anyone who disagrees that the papers were absurd, the hoax has no argument to make - that's where it falls down compared to Sokal, or SciGen-style hoaxes, etc. I mean honestly, did you read the authors' writeup? I remember it had a bit in the summary like: "so what has this experiment proved exactly? Well, we'll leave that for you to decide". If that's a study that's proved its thesis, I'm a banana. > Therefore, the hoax shows that you do not need to be trained in these fields to publish in these journals. I don't know what special training an academic from one branch of the social sciences would need to publish in another, but again you're claiming the study proves something the study authors didn't even discuss. That's not a tenable position to hold, and you might reconsider why you hold it.

fenomas 8y ago

> They just published absurd papers in ostensibly serious journals. You and I can say the papers were absurd, but an argument is only meaningful to the extent that it has persuasive power to someone who doesn't already agree with it. For anyone who disagrees that the papers were absurd, the hoax has no argument to make - that's where it falls down compared to Sokal, or SciGen-style hoaxes, etc. I mean honestly, did you read the authors' writeup? I remember it had a bit in the summary like: "so what has this experiment proved exactly? Well, we'll leave that for you to decide". If that's a study that's proved its thesis, I'm a banana. > Therefore, the hoax shows that you do not need to be trained in these fields to publish in these journals. I don't know what special training an academic from one branch of the social sciences would need to publish in another, but again you're claiming the study proves something the study authors didn't even discuss. That's not a tenable position to hold, and you might reconsider why you hold it.