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"Most of us don’t miss the male gaze. It came with catcalls, harassment and unwanted attention. Instead, we feel free from the tyranny of worrying about our loo

"Most of us don’t miss the male gaze. It came with catcalls, harassment and unwanted attention. Instead, we feel free from the tyranny of worrying about our looks. For the first time since we were 10, we can feel relaxed about our appearance." I call bullshit. People spend Billions to become more attractive, and rarely anything to become less attractive. If these women would have suffered so much from the "male gaze", they could have taken steps to look as unattractive as possible way earlier than in their 70ies.

steve_adams_86 8y ago
This logic appears to presume that women are responsible for changing themselves in order to avoid being mistreated, and that their desire to change their looks is at all intended to draw catcalls, harassment, and unwanted attention. I understand wearing makeup (for example) is an external thing meant for other people to see, but it's reckless and illogical to go down the path of assuming who the makeup is for and why it's worn. It's also unfair to say they should or could have taken steps to change themselves in order to solve a problem unfairly imposed upon them by other people. If a farmer has problems with raccoons eating their crops, would you ever suggest they should simply destroy their crop fields to make the land less appealing to raccoons?
- fsfsdff56sdf 8y ago
  While I think you are wrong, HN prevented me from posting a reply yesterday. So I am leaving the discussion (not typing up new arguments). Of course you are responsible for the signals you send out to the world.
techtalsky 8y ago
It's actually really common for women who have experienced sexual assault to take steps (gaining weight, wearing loose baggy clothing) to avoid the male gaze.
- fsfsdff56sdf 8y ago
  Numbers please? How common is it (percentage of women)?
aklemm 8y ago
Maybe, but then they lose the terrible game and all status that comes with playing along. The point is the game is the tyranny.
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steve_adams_86 8y ago

This logic appears to presume that women are responsible for changing themselves in order to avoid being mistreated, and that their desire to change their looks is at all intended to draw catcalls, harassment, and unwanted attention. I understand wearing makeup (for example) is an external thing meant for other people to see, but it's reckless and illogical to go down the path of assuming who the makeup is for and why it's worn. It's also unfair to say they should or could have taken steps to change themselves in order to solve a problem unfairly imposed upon them by other people. If a farmer has problems with raccoons eating their crops, would you ever suggest they should simply destroy their crop fields to make the land less appealing to raccoons?

fsfsdff56sdf 8y ago
While I think you are wrong, HN prevented me from posting a reply yesterday. So I am leaving the discussion (not typing up new arguments). Of course you are responsible for the signals you send out to the world.

techtalsky 8y ago

It's actually really common for women who have experienced sexual assault to take steps (gaining weight, wearing loose baggy clothing) to avoid the male gaze.

fsfsdff56sdf 8y ago
Numbers please? How common is it (percentage of women)?

aklemm 8y ago

Maybe, but then they lose the terrible game and all status that comes with playing along. The point is the game is the tyranny.

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